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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 8:28 am 
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Yeah. It's too bad the Egyptians never took fingerprints. Wait a moment. Maybe that's it. Horemheb and Aye's mummies are not found. Maybe that's the key! That could mean one of three things:
1. They were hidden very well.
2. They were lost, or decayed (Probably not)
3. They were working together as a team, and were found out. Then, the pharoah either destroyed them and thier bodies, or they were put in a very secret room that criminals are buried in.

My guess is 1 or 3. I mean, it's more that a coincidence that both are suspected of murder, and both mummies can't be found. But, Tut's was found. It wasn't as if that the 18th dynasty hid thier mummies so well that we don't even have one! I may be taking this over board, but if we find this place where criminals are buried, we could have major breakthroughs! But, maybe this is a result of morning sleepyness. If it is, please excuse my outbursts with nonsence.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 10:22 am 
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i don't think you are going over board, i actually think that is a good theory. i mean there is only one record of the "theory" of a pharaoh being murdered and the two people who are most being thought of as the murderers are yet to be found. i think it is very strange. i really like this theory.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 2:12 pm 
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Thank you. I guess it wasn't "morning madness" as I call it. Maybe it's right, then again, maybe it's not.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 2:31 pm 
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But if they were criminals, they wouldn't have been mummified, and so their bodies would have decayed long ago. But since Aye and Horemheb both had tombs and we know that someone was buried in Horemheb's (Burial Provisions found there) then maybe they didn't bury them in some special place.

I read this in a book last night and I found it interesting. This Quote is from "Ancient Egypt" by Lorna Oakes and Lucia Gahlin:

"Is there a thrid cache?
Not all the bodies of the Kings of the New Kingdom Pharaohs have yet been found. The missing mummies include those of Tuthmosis I, Akhenaten, Horemheb, Ay, and Hatshepsut. An inscription found by Sir Alan Gardiner at the entrance of the tomb of Horemheb may refer to the restoration of further royal mummies. This is supported by the fact that Theodore Davis found many dismembered skeletons, as well as funeral garlands of a type dating from the Third Intermediate Perios (c. 1069-c.747 BC), when he was working in the Valley of the Kings in 1908"

It is interesting that there may be another cache, and I would like to read the inscription foundat Horemheb's tomb, but it would be a shame to have all the mummies completely mutilated.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 3:21 pm 
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Ah. So maybe that's why we can't find them! Anyway, about the missing pharoahs, all that I know is that there was a rebellion against Hatshepsut, according to the book that I read; "Mara, Daughter of the Nile." It's a novel, so it wasn't true, but it might have been based on a real rebellion. According tothe story, Hatshepsut was wasting money on statues and towers, and locked up Thutmosis. There were Egyptians who wanted Thutmosis to be pharoah, so they rebelled against her, and Thutmosis made her drink poison, and became pharoah. So, maybe he never mummified her out of bad feelings.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 9:29 pm 
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That's most likely not right. At least, Thutmose III wasn't locked up. From what I understand he was head of Hatshepsuts army (If that were so I think he could find a better way of getting rid of his step-mother than poisoning her).
And also, as far as I know there has been no proof that Thutmose was a murderer. If he wanted to get rid of Hatshepsut I'm sure he woiuldn't have waited twenty years. Around the time Hatshepsut "Dissapeared" she would have been fifty or more, pretty old for an Egyptian. So she probably died of natural causes.

And I think that all of Hatshepsut's monuments weren't destroyed until after Thutmose III ruled, and it was only so other females wouldn't get the same idea and try to take over the country :-)

Oh. and I went to this history expo thing at our community college last year, and they had a class about Hatshepsut. I learned something I had never heard of before. Thumose III built his own mortuary temple right next to Hatshepsut's at Dier el-Medina. No, not the 11th dynasty one, but it was right by that, nearly on top of it. Surely he wouldn't have done that if he hated her. The other interesting thing was that it was tiny in comparison to hers.

Well, two years ago I have a report on Hatshepsut and I dressed up and stuff, but this is all i can remember, so if I'm wrong, please tell me.

Oh, by the way, what was the author of that book? I'd like to read it.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2002 7:23 am 
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I don't remember her name, but I do know that it's on the Tutankhamun Yahoo group. (The one that Lady Neferankh made.) It's in "A good book to read," the original.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:08 am 
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all of these mysteries and "missing" people of ancient egypt would a lot easier to find if the egyptians had left dowcuments sayign what had happened. but hten again they probably thought that they wouldn't become this big major thing 2000 or so years later. but it would be easier if we all had proof or something.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:01 pm 
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Yes, it would be a lot easier to figure stuff out. But I was wondering. If we did know everything about Ancient Egypt, would it be as appealing to people? Would people be as interested in the history if they knew everything about it? I'm not sure if I would like it as MUCH. I really love the art and learning teh way that they lived, but one of the reasons that I like Egypt is because I like speculating about what could have happened.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2002 11:12 am 
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Since you put it that way i would havet o agree with you, that Ancient Egypt would not be as appealing to me if we did know everything. It is sorta like everyone knows the history of the us and we don't have as much interest in it as people do in egypt. One of the things that most intrigues me about Egypt is that there are so many discoveries beign made even today, and that there are mysteries waiting to be figured out or speculated over.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2002 6:16 am 
I don't think the KV is exhausted like a lot of people say. i'm convinced there are still bodies out there to be found, including Ay's and Horemheb's. Horemheb wiped them both from history but stopped short of desecrating his tomb, maybe he did the same for Ay and his body is still to be found.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2002 6:19 am 
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On the 'missing people' subject. If were talking kings, queens and princesses then i doubt we will find records of where they were buried. They didn't exactly want to advertise their location did they?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2002 2:22 pm 
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no they didn't advertise their wherabouts of where they were goign to be bured. but there is always that one person who is evil and greedy and would record it to go back later and opent he tomb to either destroy or take the things in the tomb. i mean there is almost always a person who will cheat, lie, or do something they arent supposed to do. take the government for example, there has been numerous scandals adn spies in the government, so wouldn't it make sense for there to be a person like that in the royal court or whatever back then?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2002 7:16 pm 
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Yeah. Also, there could have been a grave robber that really was good, but poor, and had to rob a tomb to stay alive. There are lots of reasons why people steal, cheat and lie. As a wise person once said: "Many who die deserve life, and many who live deserve death. Can you give it to them?"
PS: Does anybody know where that came from? And put it in a PS at the end of a post as not to change the subject.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2002 9:36 pm 
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Well, at least we know they didn't murder all the people who knew where the location of the tomb was like in "the Mummy." So maybe someone did write it down as a secret record. I read somewhere yesterday that they kept track of where all the tombs were on a list or something. my mind goes blank as to what book I was reading. I'll look it up later and tell you about it.


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