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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:16 pm 
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Hey does anyone know about the many theories that claim ancient gods were aliens from so and so star system? I've heard about the Isis being an alien from Sirius and wanted to benefit mankind by coming to earth and showing the people the "true" way <i>and all that jazz</i> :P , but I need more of these little diddlies for a story I'm writting. Anyone wanna help? Basically I only need to know what god and what star (system) they "came from", and not limited to just Egyptian deities.


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The people of Sumer believed that their gods, which they called the Annunaki (meaning come from heaven), came from another world called Nibiru. Nibiru was said to have years (sars) that lasted thousands of earth years, which was why the Annunaki lived so long.
There was also a large connection with reptilians, as many of their gods had reptile or bird aspects.
The Babylonians believed much the same thing, only their planet was called Marduk (or something like that) after their cheif diety.
In the Catholic Bible they also describe other immortals [Genesis 6:2 "some of the heavenly beings saw that these young women were beautiful so they took the ones they liked."]

What is strange is that I am writting something similar, it is Sumer based, with the Annunaki, who usurp the primeval goddess of Sumerian mythology, Nammu and enslav the lame, deformed, or just imperfect people while being served by the "perfect". Though the Annunaki are not really aliens in my work in progress, but ancient souls who found a way back from Nibira (which I have as being the place were the soul goes after death).

-Maharet


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:53 am 
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Ankhesenpa-aten wrote:
Hey does anyone know about the many theories that claim ancient gods were aliens from so and so star system? I've heard about the Isis being an alien from Sirius and wanted to benefit mankind by coming to earth and showing the people the "true" way <i>and all that jazz</i> :P , but I need more of these little diddlies for a story I'm writting. Anyone wanna help? Basically I only need to know what god and what star (system) they "came from", and not limited to just Egyptian deities.


Hi Ankhesenpa-aten, to be honest with you. I have not heard any of those stories. I do remember a Star Trek TV episode in which Kirk, Spock and the gang fought off the Greek god Apollo. Who was the last of the "old gods" and in his story he explains that they had originally been aliens from out of space. Once on Earth they "blessed the backwards humans" as gods leaving only when the humans ceased worshipping them. Returning to their outspace old home. I wonder if this isn't the source of such theories? So many people take what is on TV and believe it to be 100% the truth.

If, the ancient Egyptians did believe something like that. Wouldn't it provide a conflict with the origins of Re, Isis' great-grandfather, whose self generation out of the Waters of Chaos, proceeded to create everything about Earth? Now as to the truth of the Egyptian and the star stories... maybe the website below will be a help i include just the mythology bit about Orisis and Isis for you here... the site itself has much more about Orion's Belt and its heavenly neighborhood :)

http://homepage.mac.com/kvmagruder/bcp/ ... ns/Ori.htm
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Orion the hunter boasted that he would slay all animals on earth. To prevent this, Gaia sent Scorpius to kill him first.

In Egyptian mythology, Orion was the abode of Osiris, a pharoah-god who was slain by his jackal-headed brother, Set. Osiris conquered death and, once resurrected, came to reside in Orion. Isis dwelt on Sirius.

Sirius, the brightest star in the sky, rises on the eastern horizon just before the Sun once each year. This following a period of complete invisibility lasting about 70 days (during which time it lies in the daytime sky). Egyptian inscriptions describe the last appearance of Sirius in the night sky as its death; its daytime invisibility as purification in the embalming house of the nether world; and its rising with the Sun as a resurrection. Accordingly they calibrated the process of mummification to this celestial cycle, completing it in exactly 70 days.

The pharoahs, so it was believed, began their journeys in the celestial realms with a visit to Osiris and Isis in the regions of Orion and Sirius. Many peoples have located their greatest gods here.

i hope this is a help to you.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:55 pm 
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Maharet wrote:
The people of Sumer believed that their gods, which they called the Annunaki (meaning come from heaven), came from another world called Nibiru. Nibiru was said to have years (sars) that lasted thousands of earth years, which was why the Annunaki lived so long.
There was also a large connection with reptilians, as many of their gods had reptile or bird aspects.
The Babylonians believed much the same thing, only their planet was called Marduk (or something like that) after their cheif diety.
In the Catholic Bible they also describe other immortals [Genesis 6:2 "some of the heavenly beings saw that these young women were beautiful so they took the ones they liked."]

What is strange is that I am writting something similar, it is Sumer based, with the Annunaki, who usurp the primeval goddess of Sumerian mythology, Nammu and enslav the lame, deformed, or just imperfect people while being served by the "perfect". Though the Annunaki are not really aliens in my work in progress, but ancient souls who found a way back from Nibira (which I have as being the place were the soul goes after death).

-Maharet


Hi Maharet, i really like your story idea! Sounds so much more exciting than real Summerian theology. Even so, thankfully fiction can be so much more fun to read and write than non-fiction reality. i really appreciate your posting on this as i get so little time to post on anything other than Egypt here. I hope you finish your story with much success, good luck.

You don't give sources for you understanding of Summerian theology, and regretfully they don't agree with Dr. Samuel Noah Kramer's description of it, very well. Dr. Kramer is one of the earliest and most authorative scholars on Sumer and its' people. My source is his book, The Sumerians, Their History, Culture, and Character, Chapter Four - Religion; Theology, Rite and Myth pgs 112-164.
"The major components of the universe where heaven and earth. Their term for universe was an-ki a compound word meaning "heaven-earth". The earth was a flat disk surmounted by a vast hollow space completely enclosed by a solid surface in the shape of a vault. Between heaven and earth they recognized a substance which they called ll, a word whose approximate meaning was meaning is wind, air, breath, spirit; its most significant characteristics seem to be movement and expansion corresponding roughly to our atmospher. The sun, moon, planets, and stars were taken to be made of the same stuff as the atmosphere, but endowed in addition with the quality of luminosity. Surrounding the 'heaven-earth'on all sides, top and bottom too, was teh boundless sea in which the universe somehow remained fixed and immovable."
From these basic facts they evolved a cosmogony to fit. There was the primeval sea; a kind of first cause and prime mover. It is in this primeval sea that formed the 'heaven-earth' that was the universe to the Sumerians.
"Following the separation of heaven and earth and the creation of the light-giving astral bodies, plant, animal, and human life came into existence."
Operating, directing, and supervising this universe, was a panteon consisting of their gods "invisible, anthropomorphic, at the same time superhuman and immortal beings that the Sumerian designated by his word dingir..."
Which we translate into god.
The Sumerians had hundreds of gods by the middle of the 3rd millennium. The four most important were An, the heaven-god; the air-god, Enlil; the water god, Enki; and the great mother-goddess, Ninhusag; also known as Ninmah, "the exalted lady".
"Ninhusag's name may also have been Ki "(mother) earth," and she was probably taken to be the consort of An, "Heaven,"-An and Ki thus may have been conceived as the parents of all the gods."
"The fifty "great gods" are never named but seem to be identical with the Anunnaki, the children of An." And from "heaven" they did come, he was
their dad :) their mother was Earth though.

I looked for Nibiru in Kramer but didn't find a bit about it. So i went to the internet and found something that is very similar to what you say. However this author carries it on much futher and i can say thankfully his prediction of their return to earth is quiet wrong. Nor, do i believe the DM noted is our own DM :) i did edit it a bit, and cut it shorter than the author intended so for the whole thing please visit the site.

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/dm_report.html
11/28/02 6:27:47 AM Pacific Standard Time I have been asked to publish this item by its author who wishes to stay anonymous. Its content is NOT plagiarised from any other source and I know it is groundbreaking material in many areas that it covers. I did not write this item but I know who did, and this gives me total confidence that it is correct.

Nibiru and the Anunnaki by D.M.

There was once a super race of aliens known to the ancient people of the Earth as the Anunnaki. For many reasons, the Anunnaki have been reduced in power today. This race of beings thrives on conquest and enslavement of those who are under them.

This is my account of the story of Nibiru and the Anunnaki:

In recent years, there have been many speculative writings about Planet X, which is also known as Planet Nibiru. Most of these writings are based somewhat on Zecharia Sitchin’s book, The Twelfth Planet. Sitchin, like Velikovsky and Darwin, used his respective theories to support his claims. A question arises: Is Nibiru real? The answer to that is a resounding "Yes".

There are those who believe that the Anunnaki of Nibiru are coming back to Earth soon. They believe that Planet X is going to pass by Earth, in May or June of 2003, on its 3,600 year orbit around our sun. Such believers are terrified of the consequences that a close pass by Nibiru might bring. They fear this will cause earthquakes, tidal waves, severe flooding, food shortages due to climatic conditions, diseases, meteor fire storms, volcanic eruptions and the like. They are afraid that it will result in a great catastrophic infliction of loss of life on Earth.

Planet Nibiru (Ne.Bi.Ru) is known by many names, such as: Planet X, The Twelfth Planet, Marduk, Paradise, "Heaven" and the "Kingdom of the Heavens" and etc. in various cultures. Although Nibiru has been called The Twelfth Planet, technically it is not a planet of our solar system. In fact, it is a planet from another solar system and the star that was the sun of its solar system has been extinguished. Nibiru was never visible from the Earth but the star which was the centre of Nibiru’s solar system was visible in the skies from Earth. The orbiting pattern of Nibiru gave the Anunnaki the advantage of having a mobile observatory from which they could observe and investigate many other planets near its orbit.

The early people named Planet X as Nibiru in Sumerian, and Marduk in Babylonian. It has been said that the ancient Mesopotamians believed that Nibiru was the twelfth planet in our solar system and that it was "heaven" where their gods resided and came from.

Nibirians, the people of Nibiru, are often referred to as Anunnaki, Nephilim, Elohim (plural for god), and Mardukians. I shall refer to them as Anunnaki as this is what the general population was known as by the Sumerians and by those at the present time. The word "Anunnaki" literally means "those who came from heaven to earth". In the Old Testament these "heavenly" visitors are called "Anakim".

Nibiru was populated by a reptilian super race and governed by elite aristocracy known as the "Nefilim" in Hebrew, which means "they who have come down from the heavens to earth". The Anunnaki were one of the many technologically advanced alien races at the time. In fact, their civilization was advanced far beyond most others of their time. The Anunnaki called their home star (sun) "ZAOS".

Again, good luck on your story, it sounds really neat!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:33 am 
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Thanks for the link Sekhmet!

I've been looking at similar websites already, but they were all too...out there...and didn't really help me. Some websites contridict one another, one saying the Anunnaki are evil, and others saying they're good, and others say that all ancient mythological beings were aliens, and such. But all of that is irrelevant to my story, as I don't plan on centering around mythological dieties. :D


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:41 am 
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You're welcome Ankhesenpa-aten :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:25 am 
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hey, i would like to add that it would be nearly impossible for life or even a solar system to develop on or near sirius because it is a double star system.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:48 am 
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Eh, well, it's fiction, I can always make something up! :D


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:50 am 
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You should really read 'Stargate Conspiracy' by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince. They are writers, researchers and lecturers on the paranormal, the occult, and historical and religious mysteries. They refer to what your talking about as New Egyptology. Also 'teh Lost Testament' by David Rohl refers in part to the Annunkai.


Book Description
In recent years, alternative historians have gained remarkable insight into the mysteries of ancient Egypt-but according to Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince, their discoveries tie into a dangerous conspiracy nearly fifty years in the making.

At the center of this conspiracy is a group of respected, powerful individuals who believe that the ancient Egyptian gods are real extraterrestrials who will soon return to earth. The conspirators have intimate and exclusive knowledge of this momentous second coming-but they insist on keeping it to themselves. In this riveting, well-researched book, Picknett and Price reveal what this conspiracy means for the rest of mankind-and expose the insidious motivations of the individuals and organizations behind it...


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Abydo's has flying machine's etched upon it's monument's.

I just finished reading a book about a woman recently living her life in Egypt and claiming to be reincarnate of a priest of Seti I. During that lifetime she took her own life as she was w/child belonging to Seti I. All priest's were to be virgin's .. therefore she took her own life as not to compromise her Pharoah. She stated that he came to her and told her that we return to live amongst the star's.

Found the following info:

THE DEAD AND THEIR CONNECTION WITH THE SKY
You may not have considered this but each person's life echoes the cycle of cosmic order we see played out in the sky. Our ancient ancestors saw a parallel between cosmic creation and each individual birth. For them the ancients realized that man was made in the image of God. Each life meant growth and the preservation of order. Each death was an intrusion of chaos and was a break with the Divine order of the Cosmos as pictured above and around them in Mother Nature. And just as our ancestors saw rebirth, renewal, and restoration of order in the sky, they also believed in an afterlife for the soul, a resurrection. Death, the key transformation in each soul's share of the cycle of cosmic order, initiated a transcendental journey to the realm of the gods and immortality. Very often the destination of the dead was the domain of sacred order-the sky itself. We say the exact same things today as Christains for when we die we believe we go to Heaven (the ancients called this the sky).

For this reason, in culture after culture, we find celestial metaphor in the ceremonies of the funeral, celestial imagery in the paraphernalia of the dead, and astronomical significance in the architecture of the tomb. By recognizing the relation between death and the sky, we can understand what death meant to our ancestors and what they judged was the role of the dead.

THE GREAT PYRAMID....ASTRONOMY...AND THEOLOGY
Death meant no rest for the pharaohs of Old Kingdom Egypt. Their destiny was overhead. Pyramids today stand as a reminder of the ancient Egyptian glorification of life after death, and in fact, the pyramids was built as monuments to house the tombs of the pharaohs. Death was seen as merely the beginning of a journey to the other world. In this society, each individual's eternal life was dependent on the continued existence of their king, a belief that made the pharaoh's tomb the concern of the entire kingdom. Believed to be aligned with the circumpolar stars, the king's spirit is then able to commute between heaven and earth in life after death.

Prayers carved into the stone walls of chambers within Fifth and Sixth Dynasty (ca. 2494-2181 B.c.) pyramids describe the pharaoh's "ascent to the sky among the stars," where he "regulates the night" and "sends the hours on the way." In some of thesePyramid Texts, in the monuments at Saqqara (about 40 miles up the Nile from Cairo), he joins the circumpolar stars and governs them. These stars, called circumpolar, never rise and never set, and so they never die. Circumpolar means to circle around the pole. Circumpolar stars or constellations daily trace circles around the north celestial pole, without setting or dipping below the horizon. They move in a counterclockwise direction.By joining these eternal stars, the pharaoh becomes eternal; he, personified as a star, never sets (allegory for death).

The pharaoh also makes another celestial journey: to Orion. This constellation is a symbol of his soul's rebirth because Orion stood for Osiris and the great cycle of birth, life, death, and resurrection.

Osiris was the Egyptian "god of the underworld." However, he was much more than this, because he also symbolized the Sun. Therefore, he also had a cyclic death and rebirth sequence. Every year he would die, and every winter solstice be "reborn." Hence, the religion of Osiris was essentially sun worship. In the Egyptian Osiris myth, he was killed by his brother and torn into 14 pieces; then resurrected by his sister/wife Isis (after she conceived their son Horus), to become lord of the underworld and Egyptian judge of the dead. The number 14 is further significant to the worship of Osiris because of his other association with the Moon, which has two 14 day cycles (waxing and waning). The waning cycle of the Moon also stands for Osiris’ journey into the underworld (as the Moon grows dark, it goes "into darkness," the equivalent of the underworld), and the waxing cycle as the Moon grows brighter, Osiris’ ascent from the underworld. Without going into too much detail, suffice to say that the number 14 is a very important number to the worshippers of Osiris, for more reasons than his death. Osiris, in his association with both the Sun and Moon, represents the principle of cycles; that everything has a beginning and an ending, but that life still goes on and new life takes the place of the old. Isis, the sister and "wife" of Osiris, was as important to the Egyptians (if not more so) than the god Osiris. She is represented by the star Sirius in Egyptian mythology. A "star configuration" used to sanctify Julius’ new calendar that lacks Sirius or references to Sirius, would not be representative of Egyptian belief and worship. Isis was, for the Egyptians, the great nurturer and source of all "good things."

In the company of Osiris and guided by Sirius (in roughly the same part of the sky), the dead king maintains the calendar and administers the seasons. The pharaoh is busy in heaven. According to the texts, he takes "possession of the sky, its pillars and its stars" after death. On earth he maintained order and vitalized the system; in the sky, among the spirits, he activates the great cosmic cycles. His soul, or ba, has become a "living star at the head of his brethren." The tomb in which he was buried was the point of his departure for the sky.

Later Egyptian tombs are filled with astronomical imagery of the journey of the sun, the body of the sky, and the destinations of the stars: like the pyramids that contain hieroglyphic texts, they confirm that the Egyptians sensed a link between death and the sky (our Heaven). The builders of the earliest pyramids, however, and the builders of the greatest-those Fourth Dynasty (ca. 2613-2494 B.c.) mountains of stone blocks at Giza-left no written records of their intentions. Later commentators filled this void with fanciful speculation, downright misinformation, and plain silliness.

About 80 pyramids are known, all built on the Nile's west bank-the realm of the dying sun-but the Great Pyramid outstrips the others in fame as well as in size. The date of its errection is debated today but evidence reveals that it is much older than many want to concede; possibly 10,000 B.C.E. or earlier. It is recognized by Classical writers as one of the seven wonders of the ancient world, and it is the only one of the seven still standing. With amazing success, it has resisted the assaults of the desert, earthquake, quarrymen, and tourists. Herodotus, the Greek historian, marveled at its antiquity-and he visited Egypt in the fifth century B.C. Now with more justification than ever, an old Arab proverb counsels, "Man fears time, but time fears the pyramids."

THE GREAT PYRAMID... ITS ASTRONOMICAL INTERPRETATION
Various astronomical interpretations of the Great Pyramid at Giza have been proposed, involving alignments of its internal corridors and shadows cast by its profile. Some people have even suggested that it was used as an observatory. This pyramid's dimensions also have been said to encode practically everything from the number of days in the year to prophecies of the world's history. In our supposedly rational era, the Great Pyramid-or at least its shape-has been touted as a focuser of an as-yet-unidentified energy that can do everything from sharpening razor blades to mummifying milk.

It has been estimated that the volume of the Great Pyramid is as large as that of St. Peter's in Rome, St. Paul's and Westminster Abbey in London, and the cathedrals of Milan and Florence combined. Nearly 2,300,000 blocks of stone, each weighing on the average 2½ tons (the heaviest being 15 tons with none less than a ton and a half) were piled into an artificial mountain whose four sloping sides originally merged at a point 481.4 feet above the limestone plateau of Giza. Today, the top, including the gold-covered capstone, or pyramidion, is missing, and the Great Pyramid is 31 feet short of its original height.

The sides of the Great Pyramid once competed in brightness with the golden cap, for the rough limestone blocks that comprise the bulk of the pyramid were covered with a fine surface of shiny, white tura limestone. Only a little of the original tura now remains, however, in the bottom course on the north side.

Sheer size qualifies the Great Pyramid as "great," but its architectural details make it unique. First, whatever else may be hypothesized about the pyramid, there is no doubt that it is aligned astronomically, and with extreme precision, the four sides of its immense base (covering more than 13 acres) running north, south, east, and west. The worst agreement of any side with exact cardinal orientation is on the east, and even there the misalignment from a true north-south line is but 5½ arcminutes. The other three sides agree even better. Accuracy of this sort is possible, even with very simple techniques, provided that care is taken in setting out the lines. Preserving this accuracy on the monumental scale of the Great Pyramid, however, means not "twisting" the sides at higher levels, and the Egyptians' success is impressive. The corners of the base are very nearly right angles, and the entire base is almost a perfect square. The greatest difference in length between any two sides is 7.8 inches. This accuracy emphasizes the concern the builders had for the four cardinal directions, what the Pyramid Texts of the later Fifth and Sixth Dynasties call the "pillars" of the sky.

The internal details of the Great Pyramid are equally remarkable. A cross-section reveals a confusing collection of corridors, chambers, and shafts. Numerous claims for astronomical alignment of these vents and passages have been made, and most are wrong. There is astronomy among them, however. To appreciate it we must enter the pyramid.

The Great Pyramid reveals much of the relgious beliefs of the Egyptians. There are 4 mysterious shafts emanating from the King's and Queen's Chambers of the Great Pyramid. Two of these shafts, once thought to be only "air ventalation shafts," are aligned perfectly to due north and the other two are perfectly to due south. They thus target, at varying altitudes, what astromomers refer to as the "meridian" - an imaginary line "dividing the sky" that is best envisioned as a hoop connecting the north and south poles and passing directly over the observer's head. What is terribly interesting is the theology that is written into the architecture of this Great Pyramid which not only instructs us but the precise alignments of these 4 shafts with key astral bodies operates as a time clock to pinpoint the time frame when this great wonder of the world was built. Recent investigators have established beyond any shadow of doubt that in circa 2500 B.C.E. - the era recognized by Egyptologists as the "Pyramid Age" - each of these shafts targeted a special star as it culminated at the meridian:

THE QUEEN'S CHAMBER
From the Queen's Chamber, the northern shaft is angled at the star Kochab (Beta Ursa Minor) in the constellation of the Little Bear - a star associated by the ancients with "cosmic regeneration" and the immortality of the soul.
The southern shaft, on the other hand, was aimed at the bright star Sirus (Alpha Canis Major) in the constellation of the Great Dog. This star the ancients associated with the goddess Isis, cosmic mother of the kings of Egypt.
THE KING'S CHAMBER
From the King's Chamber, the northern shaft was aimed at the ancient Pole star, Thuban (Alpha Draconis) in the constellation of the Dragon - associated by the Pharoahs with notions of "cosmic pregnance and gestation."
The southern shaft was angled at Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis), the brighest of the three stars in Orion's belt - which the ancient Egyptians identified with Osiris, their highe god of resurrection and rebirth and the lengenday bringer of civilization to the Nile Valley in a remeote epoc referred to as "Zep Tepi," the "First Time" when the Elohim walked the earth (see Genesis).
Both shafts, then, are oriented toward celestial zones that are mentioned in the Pyramid Texts. Thuban, as the North Star, was in a sense first among the circumpolar stars or "Imperishable Stars," as the Egyptians phrased it to acknowledge their ability to circuit eternally without ever setting. Its importance is further highlighted in that it is the Alpha star of Draco (the Dragon). Thuban, then, made an appropriate target for the north shaft. Meanwhile, the stars in Orion's belt, the objective of the south shaft, were among the decans, the stars whose risings or transits marked the hours of the night throughout the Egyptian year. Orion (as Osiris), of course, was Osiris, who presided over the resurrection of souls.

These celestial alignments don't make an observatory out of the Great Pyramid, for neither Thuban nor Orion's belt could actually be seen through the shafts' openings inside the King's Chamber. Both shafts bend horizontally for a short distance before they reach the King's Chamber and also at their other ends, prior to opening on the north and south faces of the pyramid. The shafts are symbolic references to the pharaoh's celestial destinies and to the starry realms that ordered heaven and earth. They mark the Great Pyramid as the site of his celestial transformation (Graham Hancock and Robert Buval, The Message of the Sphinx, Crown Publishers, New York, pp. 58-82).

Starry Tombs in the Valley of the Kings
Allusions to the same stellar destinies of the pharaoh appeared in the royal tombs of the New Kingdom, 1,500 years after the building of the pyramids. Most of these tombs are cut into the cliffs in the Valley of the Kings, near the old capital of Thebes on the Nile's west bank, across from modern-day Luxor.

Numerous representations of the "Northern Group," a figurative portrayal of the circumpolar constellations, were painted on the corridor ceilings in the tomb of Ramesses VI, a Twentieth Dynasty pharaoh. Perhaps the finest version of this theme appears overhead in the burial chamber of the tomb of Seti I, a member of the Nineteenth Dynasty, who ruled to about 1292 B.C. Against a rich blue field, we see the tawny forms of the constellations of the "northern Heaven." One of these, an upright hippopotamus with a crocodile on her back, leans upon an odd instrument, most often translated from references in the texts as a "mooring post." It is the north celestial pole, and the golden lines attached to it lead through the hands of an unidentified human figure to a bull. Sir Norman Lockyer, the British astronomer who discovered helium in the sun, devoted time and energy to astronomical interpretation of Egyptian myths and monuments, and he equated the hippopotamus with at least some of the stars of Draco the Dragon, the site of the north celestial pole in the early period of Egyptian civilization. It is actually broader than that and encompasses most of the northern heavens.

Just as the orientation of the Fourth Dynasty pyramids to the four cardinal directions stressed the cosmic order, so the burial chamber of Tutankhamun (Ca. 1345 B.c.) incorporated north-south and east-west alignments. References to the stellar destiny of this pharoah may now be seen in Cairo's Egyptian Museum. The inscriptions on the four gold-covered, boxlike shrines that formerly encased the sarcophagus of the deceased identify the king with Osiris, and Isis is described as following behind him, just as Sirius follows Orion across the sky. On the door of one of the shrines, Isis is portrayed as a bird with extended wings; on another she says: "I am thy protection, I am behind thee."

The tomb of Seti I, whose burial chamber ceiling illustrates the Northern Group, the stars around the north celestial pole, on one half, includes Sirius and Orion (as boat-borne figures of Isis and Osiris) on the other. Both stellar destinations of the pharaoh, portrayed here, repeat the traditions expressed in the Great Pyramid's "air shafts." On the ceiling of another burial chamber, that of Ramesses VI, The Book of the Day and The Book of the Night frame, each on its own side, the double body of the sky goddess. These texts chronicled the sun's journey, hour by hour, through the day and the night. They imply yet another celestial destiny for the pharaoh: the path of the sun.

Accompanying the images of Sirius and Orion in the tomb of Seti I, and on the ceilings of many other temples and tombs as well, are lists of the decans. The Decans were groups of stars from which the night sky was divided - these Decans were used as a calendar by the ancient Egyptians: each decan would rise above the dawn horizon for ten days every year (symbolic of rising from the darkness of death). There were 36 decans (36 X 10 = 360 days), + plus 5 added days to make up to 365 days. Diagonal "star clocks" listed the names of the timekeeping stars inside the lids of coffins from the Ninth through Twelfth Dynasties (2160-1786 B.c.). These clocks are really grid diagrams of the decans in the sequence of their appearance. A single star shifts its position in the grid, up one square and over one, to mark an earlier hour of the night every ten days. Each name, in hieroglyphs, traces a diagonal path through the grid and gives the design its name. Additional decorations usually include images of the Bull's Leg (that is, Set, the Big Dipper), Isis, and Osiris. Another type of star clock was painted in the Twentieth Dynasty tombs of the Ramesside pharaohs, from about 1300 to 1100 B.C. These, too, appeared together with the Northern Group, Sirius, and Orion. There is no reason to think Egyptian astronomers ever entered tombs to consult the star clocks. Their purpose was funereal. They belonged to the dead.

The decans themselves were selected because they imitated the behavior of Sirius and disappeared from the nighttime sky for 70 days. During this time they were up in the daytime, with the sun, and remained, therefore, invisible (they were "alive" but you could not see them...as in life after death). In Egyptian texts, a decan's departure from the night sky was called its death. It resided in the dangerous realm of Tuat, where the sun traveled each night. An astronomical treatise from the second century after Christ, the Papyrus Carlsberg I, quotes inscriptions from the cenotaph, or symbolic tomb, of Seti I at Abydos. Explicit references liken the decanal cycle to death and resurrection:

Here the language of the decans is the language of the mortuary. In a direct turnabout the mortuary customs mirrored the stars. The deceased was said to be a star, and mummification, also a process of purification, took 70 days. Then the dead pharaoh was reborn, like the decans.

In a similar manner it makes sense that the moon-which first appears as a crescent, grows full, and then wanes-is linked with the afterlife and immortality as we see this same cycle of birth, life, death, rebirth. In that celestial cycle of birth and death there is always another new moon. Through the cycle of cosmic order the moon guarantees its own immortality, and it is a fitting image for the belief of mankind of birth, life, death, and rebith from the dead which has been understood by the ancients since the beginning of time.

So as you can see the dead were associated with the sky. This may seem strange at first, but we can understand the ideas behind it. The souls of the dead journey to a celestial paradise; as Christians we call it "Heaven." Paradise is a realm of immortality and divinity, and that is what people see in the sky. Celestial objects, through their cycles of rising and setting, coming and going, waxing and waning, seem to die but are always reborn. They are the immortal gods, and the patterns of their movements establish order in time and space. The dead have access to their kingdom. Tombs are points of the soul's departure for the celestial realm. The astronomical components of these tombs are intimations of immortality (Dr. E.C. Krupp, Echoes Of The Ancient Skies, New American Library, 1983, pp. 100-125).


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:29 am 
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The Nibiru alien thing is far out, but the sight gives me lots of ideas for the magic theory of worlds. By no means did I mean that the stuff on that sight was real, only that things we interperet as gods have a name that means they came from heaven.
It is quite similar to the Classical Creation as well, Gaia imerging from Chaos to create the world, only after it seperating.
The theory on the sight source is pretty uncredibal, and I would not recomend using it as a sole source, especially for a non-fiction :? , but it gives good ideas for fictional works.

-Maharet

Sorry about re-opening the thread so late, I just came back from France and wanted to clarify what I meant.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:40 pm 
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Maharet wrote:
The Nibiru alien thing is far out, but the sight gives me lots of ideas for the magic theory of worlds. By no means did I mean that the stuff on that sight was real, only that things we interperet as gods have a name that means they came from heaven.
It is quite similar to the Classical Creation as well, Gaia imerging from Chaos to create the world, only after it seperating.
The theory on the sight source is pretty uncredibal, and I would not recomend using it as a sole source, especially for a non-fiction :? , but it gives good ideas for fictional works.

-Maharet

Sorry about re-opening the thread so late, I just came back from France and wanted to clarify what I meant.


Welcome back Maharet! Reopening the thread is no problem and thankyou so much for clarifing what you meant. :) i hope you had a great time in France!


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