Yes, Ramses II DID build lots of minuments and stuff, but he was a lair. He changed the account of what happened at the battle of Kadesh. He didn;t win the war, he forged a peace alliance with the king of the Hittites. Would you admire someone who lies to his people?
Orisis II wrote:
Akhenaten is given too much credit for the actions during the Amarna period. The first mention of Aton is from the reign of his father, Amenhotep III. In fact, most of the conception that Akhenaten put forth was from his father.
I agree mostly with your statements here Orisis II. However, the first mention of the Aten, and elevation of the Aten is credited to Tuthmosis IV the father of Amenhotep III please see KMT A Modern Journal of Ancient Egypt, Volume 13, Number 2 Summer 2002, pgs 41-51.
Orisis II wrote:
I believe, contrary to popular belief, that there was a co-regency between Alkhenaten and his father, and Akhenaten did not move the court to Aketaten or change his name until his father died, and he ruled alone. Only then did he start the userpation and oppresion of the other religions in favor of the Aton, and even then the main focus of his anger was Amen, which may have been a political move--the priests of Amen were getting too much control of riches and estates, becoming a threat to the Pharaoh.
Popular belief of Akhenaten gives him too much credit--as the first monothestis, as the author of the Hymn to Aton, as a faithful and loving husband--all of these things are under doubt!
And Rameses II didn't lie to his people--he just blew up his own role in the warfare, and was critical of that of his army. His great achievment has to be the signing of the peace treaty.
i agree with the concept of the long co-regency Akhenaten Orisis II. The main reason is that Akhenaten's long praised religious revolution wasn't what the experts first thought. It was in fact a long process that Akhenaten brought only to it's fullest and fatal expression.
It isn't so much anymore a popular belief that AKhenaten was a loving husband. It is now acknowledged that he had a harem and at least one secondary wife, the Lady Kiya.
I don't agree with the experts in their put downs of Ramesses II at the battle of Qaddesh. While he did let a small amount of Egyptian terroritory that Tuthmosis III had won for Egypt go to the Hittites. He got the Hittite woman added to his harem. In ancient times the winner always got the girl if not the land. Even there Ramesses II got secured rights of Egyptian interests in traditional Canaanite and Palestinian areas while the Hittites didn't. He lost not a single traditional Egyptian possession, only some recent ones with suspect loyalites to boot!
Picture for a minute, the thousands of Hittites charioteers bearing down upon a small Egyptian encampment, a very royal looking encampment. Suddenly, a figure regal, proud, very royaly dressed is charging them like a God from that little encampment. Outnumbered forces don't normally charge. They run! Then with the Hittites in chaos because a God was charging them, an army appears to assist him. Oh yes, i believe Ramesses completely. You are aware that in later years the entire royal family of Hittite came to visit Ramesses II in Egypt. Yes, i know they were visiting their daughter the Egyptian Queen. LOL
Welcome to the board Orisis II. You have some good knowledge