Osiris II wrote:
Please give me a posted reference that shows that Christian Minimalist thinking is wrong--I don't believe any qualified reference exists--only vague statements that prove your point--which is just typical of your type of thought-process.
You want a qualified reference that supports my statement that Biblical Minimalists are not only wrong but using corrupt... yes i said corrupt data. Well here are 3.
The Bible Unearthed, Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts, by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Siblerman is that it uses the Shoshenq I as Shishak page 18.
Taken from Pharaohs and Kings A Biblical Quest by David Rohl, Crown Publishing 1995. Champollion was wrong in his reading of the Shoshenq I's campainge. It wasn't Jerusalem but the place of the Kings Hand. pg. 122
Shoshenq does not easily translate into Shishak. pg 128.
Karol Mysliwiec in The Twilight of Ancient Egypt, First Millennium BCE, Cornell University Press, english translation David Lorton, 2000. pg 45 makes it abundantly clear that Shoshenq I wasn't Shishak.
You rant and rave about my "preaching" i do not preach i am not a preacher. i am a SERIOUS student of Ancient History. Greatly distrubed that inconsistancies between ancient neighboring peoples histories can't be solved by those experts who have been educated to do so.
I regret that you believe i am "preaching" when in reality Osiris II i am simply presenting a new theory with substantical sources backing it. You are something of a newbie here... i have been posting along these lines for sometime. The above named references are from my other posts related to this topic. I believe they are quiet qualified. It they don't met with your approveal please let me know.
There is not a single Biblical Minimalist that does not use Shoshenq I as Shishak... that i am aware of anyway... if you know of one please post it so i can read it myself.
If one takes a good look at the timeline (chronology) that is used by Biblical minimalists one can see that they are in fact using the Christian chronology that was first defined by Sextus Julius Africanus c. 220 AD, altered but basically confirmed by Jerome c. 400 AD. Jerome's work was later confirmed by Martin Luther, and then codified with minor changes by Bishop James Ussher in 1650 AD. Biblical minimalist will not drop the Christian chronology that allows gross distortions to Biblical history which is really just a history book of the Jewish people.
There is an ever growing awareness that the Bible is rather reliable from the period of Assyrian aggression against the nations of Egypt's traditional sphere of influence in Canaan, and Palestine. But before the mention of Assyria experts can't find anything that supports Biblical statements. Let us get away from religious terms and use THE JEWISH HISTORY BOOK.
Why is this? One reason given and swallowed by most is that it was all a made up tale written while the Jews were captives in Babylon.
Another reason might be... the chronology used by the experts is so far off. That no one in their right mind can find any supportive evidence that the History book of the Jews is based upon history and not myth.
Not a single expert has investigated the possibility that it is the chronology they use and not the Bible that is wrong! In the field of Biblical Archaeology like Dr. Rohl writes there are certain Pillars... Shoshenq I is Shishak and
While i welcome you attempts to make sure i do know of what i am talking about i do not appreciate in the least your personal, and it is personal attacks. You believe i believe in the Bible... well guess what Osiris II. It is a history book to me and i do believe it in that context, i study it not to become closer to God but to find clues as to assist me in finding out the truth about the history of a certain group of people. If you have read my posts the Biblical passages are all from the Old Testament and they relate to historical statements not salvation. So i find your accusations bewildering and mighty off based. Nor am i a Christian, let alone a fundie and would not encourage anyone on that path.
That i have an understanding of the differences between the many religions that dot this planet earth is due to my respect of my fellow human beings, and that my life and education, thankfully is beyond Comparative Religions 101. Nor do i find the differences hateful, fearful, or wrong... they add diversity to the life that God created. You know Osiris II i believe the bigot is yourself... make a mold and those that don't fit it beat into the mold so we all end up as identical thinking dummies! No thank you, sir. On behalf of the board i accept your apology. Thank you! Remember Osiris II you can always berate me in PM and save yourself further public apologies to the board.
Perhaps you can tell me are you scared that by throwing out a flawed archaci timeline, that verification of much of the Jewish History Book might become easier... even possible. Therefore proving what that God exists... He existed, exists for most without any knowledge of the Jewish History Book. Proving the historical reliability of the Jewish History Book only proves that history between neighboring peoples should
agree more than disagree. Proving also that people live and make history, they don't invent it!