quote: the following sources all agree that all three of Cleopatra's and Antony's children were given alive to Octavia, the sister of Octavian, to raise which she did. (Snip)
Ptolemy XV Caesar was not Anthonoy's son he was Caesar's so this negates your above statement. I do not know where you find your information (Snip)
I find it unlikely that Octavian would have let two Ptolemaic princes, sons of Cleopatra and possible rivals to his power base, leave Rome alive where they may have been free to cause trouble and raise support in defence of their claims to the throne of Egypt and in some respect, to the leadership of Rome through their father.
Please try reading my posts a little better Kiya. We had already agreed that her son Ptolemy XV Caesar, by G. Julius Caesar, had been murdered by Octavian. The snipet i took from your post was only about her sons by Anthony.
Come Kiya trying to make me look bad only makes you look cheap. My only referrence was to the three children of Cleopatra. Or perhaps you have a reading problem if so then i apologise for thinking your trying to make me look bad.
i was writting about the sons of Anthony by Cleopatra that you claim were murdered by Octavian. They were not according to at least the four different sources i provided in the post.
Where do i get my sources? Well try looking at the posts and reading them correctly. They normally tell you where my source is from i am grateful for my sources Kiya, shows what i am writing isn't just made up out of my head.
Perhaps Octavian didn't fear the Ptolemy sons of Anthony nearly as much as you dream he did. He was Master of Rome long before either of the boys grew to manhood. Nor where these sons of Cleopatra and Anthony might have gotten support against the Master of Rome if they had wanted too? You give us no clue.
The entire Mediterranean Basin belonged to the Master of Rome, Octavian by the time they grew up. Nor if you know half as much about the Ptolemies of Egypt as you claim to know... outside of Alexandria the Ptolemies weren't much loved, appreciated, or honored by the native Egyptians. So it isn't likely that Anthony's and Cleopatra's sons could have gathered much support for their case in Egypt, even if it didn't belong personnally to Caesar Augustus Octavian.
Oh yes, they were the great Anthony's sons. Do you have any knowledge of the Roman Anthony's from which Marcus was born too? Plebians first off, Marcus' father died a cowardly loser against battle with pirates. His paternal uncle was twice exiled from Rome, once for tortering slaves the 2nd time for corruption. Marcus himself was the only one of three brothers that had any promise and the Great Caesar gave him his chance. Only on account of the Julian blood relationship between himself and Marcu's mother. Marcus spent whatever honor, which was an important thing to most Roman nobles plebians or patricians on drinking, gambling, and playing sides against one another. His most glorious days as a warrior were under the Great Caesar. While he died in the arms of the woman Rome had declared war against. I doubt a single Roman would have supported either of the boys simply because he was an Anthony.
Octavian made sure that Rome didn't forget how Anthony died, he let Cleopatra and Anthony be buried together in Egypt!
Thankfully, your highly unlikely's are not what history is written from. Myself, i don't find it highly unlikely, for several reasons.
1.Octavian was a very patient and untrusting soul. Had he worries about a resurgent pro Egpytian-Anthony rebellion on his hands. His holding the surviving two sons of Cleopatra and Anthony would have forced the rebels to show their hands to him earlier than they may have wanted too.
2. Any revolt in Egypt against Roman rule would have been weakend by Octavians holding of the two Ptolomy heirs. Nor could a pretender appear when the real ones were alive in Rome.
3. There was a blood tie between the two boys and Octavian. All three of them had the same Julian blood and Romans had a real funny habit about respecting family ties.
4. Octavain after securing his victory against Anthony began his earnest attempts to make the God Julius Caesar. With this attempt, he couldn't go around killing off all the other Julius Casears without causing someone to consider well an adopted Julius Casear with even less Casear blood than Cleopatra's sons might be as easily killed.
No, again your speculative opinion is based soley upon your dreams as a young woman of the 21st century AD. Lacking any basis in reality, knowledge or understanding of the 1st century AD.