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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:52 am 
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Hi, I am an aspiring writer (3 unpublished novels under my belt) about to start my next one which is based in Ancient Egypt. I am in the research stage and am hoping this site will answer any questions i have which i can't find the answer to anywhere else - and hopefully i can contribute too :D

I am still navigating my way around the site so forgive me if i post things in the wrong place.

My present problem is finding out about concubines, there isn't much info about this online. I wanted to know if peasant women ever became concubines, and if the Pharoah wanted them to would they find it hard to refuse?

Anyway, Hi to you all. :D

Casey


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:44 am 
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Hi Casey, and welcome!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:13 am 
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Thanks :D


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:35 am 
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Welcome, Casey!
I found this just doing a quick search for "concubines in ancient Egypt". You might find it a bit helpful, and more on touregypt, where this is from:
In some parts of ancient Egyptian society, men were permitted to have concubines. Naturally, it worked out better for the husband if his bride approved. But concubines did not have the same protective status as wives. And adultery, even in households where there were concubines, was strongly discouraged.

It didn't really say anything about the concubine being a peasant woman, but, as I said, I only did a [i]very [/i]rushed search. You might find more on Google.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:36 am 
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Welcome, Casey!
I found this just doing a quick search for "concubines in ancient Egypt". You might find it a bit helpful, and more on touregypt, where this is from:
In some parts of ancient Egyptian society, men were permitted to have concubines. Naturally, it worked out better for the husband if his bride approved. But concubines did not have the same protective status as wives. And adultery, even in households where there were concubines, was strongly discouraged.

It didn't really say anything about the concubine being a peasant woman, but, as I said, I only did a very rushed search. You might find more on Google.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:37 am 
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Oooops! :oops:

Sorry for the double posting...


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:42 am 
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Thanks, Osiris II, that's kind of you - i did a similar search and came up with the same information as you. I can't find anywhere what sort of woman exactly would become a concubine. Common people took marriage seriously, royalty was less concerned about adultery - so maybe that's my answer. I've also tried googling about whether noblemen (the next class downn from royalty) would have taken common women as concubines but am not finding the answer to that either. More surfing,i think!

Thanks again :D

Casey


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:15 am 
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I can't find any more information either.
Just my own personal idea, but I doubt very much if a peasant woman would be taken by Pharaoh as a concubine. He'd more than likely get his extra "ladies" from the nobility, with whom he would have more contact.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:27 am 
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HI, Osiris II,

yeh, the more i think about it, you're probably right, a Pharoah probably wouldn't even look at a commoner, let alone... :wink:

Cheers.

Casey


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:20 am 
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Pharaoh would have seen peasant women so possibly a particularly beautiful one might catch his eye or a peasant may go from a moderatly important person to a very important one.
In England think of Nell Gwynn and Lady Hamilton.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:01 am 
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Hi Tnrees,

Hmm, interesting point about the social-climbing.

Cheers.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:14 am 
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l completely disagree. Queen Tiye, one of the most powerful women of Egypt was a commoner and was married to Amenhotep the 3rd. Thats pretty impressive for a commoner.

Also the pharaoh was known to have sent out special "model agents" if you will to find amazingly beautiful and stunning women for his large harem. Also he didnt have to go looking for women as the Kings allies sent him women from there kingdom. Some of which may well have been commoners.

but you know.. whatever you found on google is good to l guess...


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:30 am 
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Although Tiye is referred to as a commoner, she was far from being one. He father was of high rank, and her mother was of the nobility. Tiye's family would have been considered nobility. In Pharaoh's eyes, she MAY have been considered a commoner, but was hardly a peasant woman.
Pharaoh may have had agents out scouring the land for beautiful women to add to his harem--sexual attraction goes to unlimited lengths. But again, I would think that most of his amorous adventures would be confined to the nobility, with which he was more familiar and with which he associated.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:27 am 
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Hmm, thanks guys - i can see all this is going to be much more complicated than i thought. I emailed an egyptian museum this morning and asked if they thought a nobleman perhaps(as opposed to a Pharoah) would take a commoner as a lover. Very kindly they emailed back and said it was possible but very much depended on the exact year and geographical location i was talking about. In other words i suppose it's impossible to generalize about much in Ancient Egypt.

It's all a bit overwhelming, to be honest! I can see i'm going to have to do a lot of research.

Thanks for the replies :D

Casey


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