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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 3:11 am 
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Dear people with brains much larger than mine.... :(

im completing a hsc major work, i dunno where u guys r from, im from aussie, its the final year of high school n the hsc is the big final year yada yada yada...

im working on a major work on joanne fletchers 'maybe' discovery of the Nefertiti mummy and Zahi Hawass' reaction. Any and i mean any! information that you guys can give me will b very very very very greatly appreciated! :D


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:02 am 
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Al Ahram had an interesting article about it
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg

There has been a great furore over Joan Fletcher's recent announcement that she had discovered the mummy of Nefertiti. As head of the Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA), I feel it my duty to set the record straight. Two things in particular have disturbed me. The first is that Dr Fletcher's theory, which is no more than that, has been presented in the media as fact. The second is that my criticism of Dr Fletcher, who ignored SCA regulations and thus betrayed responsible Egyptology, has been interpreted as nationalism and fundamentalism.

I should like to take this opportunity to share the opinions of two Egyptologists, both of whom support my position, as do the majority of other Egyptologists around the world). The first is Dr Rosalie David, professor and director of the Centre for Biomedical Egyptology at the School of Sciences, Manchester, who was Dr Fletcher's thesis adviser. Dr David is one of the foremost experts on mummies and mummification in the world (in contrast to Dr Fletcher, who wrote her thesis on wigs and hairstyles in ancient Egypt).

In a letter to the SCA, Dr David writes: "Apart from electron microscopy of a head-louse found within one of the hairpieces that Joan Fletcher was studying, there was no specific scientific content to the research or the thesis. The electron microscopy was carried out by the university's electron microscopy unit (not by Joan Fletcher herself) and she was allowed to use the results in her thesis... Joan Fletcher received no training in anthropology or biomedical Egyptology or any other scientific techniques related to human remains, she was never involved in any of the work or research undertaken by the Manchester Egyptian Mummy Project, and indeed she showed no interest in the anthropological and biomedical research on the mummies that were undertaken at that time."

Dr David adds that "in summary, she received no training in anthropology or studies related to mummy research during her university course at Manchester." Dr David had no contact with Dr Fletcher after she finished her thesis, even though, as she was her adviser, she should have had a close relationship with her. Dr David concludes by saying: "I am surprised to see that in recent years she has chosen to describe herself in the media as an expert in mummy studies."

The second letter is from George Tassie, an archaeologist who works in the Delta and is extremely concerned with the preservation of our common heritage. Here is the full text of a letter that came to me over the Internet:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I don't know whether anyone else was outraged by the article in last Friday's edition of The Times (22 August 2003) "How Nefertiti put a curse on British Archaeologist" reporting how Dr Joan Fletcher and her team from York University have been barred from conducting research in Egypt. I though it was one of the most biased, offensive, bigoted, racist and inflammatory pieces of journalism I have ever read. This article is available on-line in The Times archives, but the minimum fee is £10 to become a member to access them. However, I do have a copy if anyone would like to see this terrible article. I have already written a letter of complaint to the editor of The Times, but as of yet have had no reply. If anyone else would like to express their feelings his e-mail address is below.

In my next article I will share with you passages from the passionate letter George Tassie sent to the editor of The Times as well as the letters I sent to The Times explaining the policies of the SCA.

The fight continues...

This article was written by Zahi Hawass personally!
Anyway, guys, what do you think about this? Yes I know it's an old question, but this is a very good topic to talk about, because we have reasons to say yes or no. So what do you think of it?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:17 am 
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Ciao Lostris! :D
I'm glad that you are trying to face the facts ( according to our possibilities, of course). I've been trying to understand what exactly happened for quite a long period, but I risked to get mad and sink in a number of articles of which I didn't have certainty about the "real" author. Don't misunderstand me, it's not that I'm thinking that what you wrote is fake. I don't like Hawass that much and already wrote my opinions about him here at KTO more than once, but I must say that what I understood of this complicated situation is that D.tt. Fletcher abused of few things, personages and positions, resulting in a blaming behaviour. This, of course, does not mean that she does not have the right to express her theories, but it is not fair to do it walking on somebody else's head or over rules. Respect should come before everything. So, summarizing my opinions, her behaviour gives the impression that her first goal was nothing but having popularity. This has nothing to do with science, study, seriousness of a scholar. I don't know if I correctly expressed my feelings and ideas, with my awful english... :wink:

ps. could you please post the address of those articles and letters? I could not see them.. :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:54 am 
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Your English isn't awful, Maatkara. You express your point of view very well.
I think the articles first appeared in the London Times, and can be read there. But there is a 10 pound access fee to the site. Lostris is going to post them here for us to see.
The Fletcher/Hawass fued just seems to have left a bad taste in my mouth! On the one hand, I see Hawass's point clearly. Fletcher violated SCA rules and lost her rights to excavate. On the other hand, she has presented us with a POSSIBLE concept. It's one I, personally, disagree with, but it is her right to express an opinion. BUT she does not have a valid claim. She says she is an expert in the subject of mummies, but that is just not true. Most of her arguement is not her own--Marianne Luben expressed the same views several years ago. Fletcher was too "quick on the draw" in getting access to the mummy--she had to have a wall dis-assembled. Most of what she said is just not true, also. Her every move was an obvious attempt to get publicity--who can forget the white-robed masked crew examining the mummy? And, her biggest error, was in not clearing her theory with Hawass. It was a clash of the Titans! Right or wrong, Hawass is in charge of all excavation work. She got his approval for an examination of the wig in the Cairo Museum. Her examination carried over to the mummy. She openly and, seemingly without care, violated the rules of the SCA--that's what caused her to be exiled from digs.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:31 am 
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Eh! Ciao Osiris and thank you! :wink: ...
yes, I do think like you about Fletcher/Hawass....I don't like him that much, but I, too, understand his position and action against Joan Fletcher: I would have done the same. As I said before, I believe that rules are there for a reason and scholars coming from abroad do not have the right to pass over those last. When someone do it here in Italy I go mad. Many scholars from foreign university are working on digs in Italy. I have a friend who is laureated in roman and medieval mosaic restauration and he's been working a lot in Ravenna, Pompei and Napoli, Palermo in so many beautiful places and ancient villas. What he told is really similar to the situation we are actually examining now about Fletcher behaviour. She is not the first and surely won't be the last, so it is Hawass and SCA's right to do something. I think that this has nothing to do with the personal right to express one's opinion...that's just about fame!....that's the saddest thing of all this story. Once more AE and its discoveries have been used with the aim of creating another "goddess of egyptology", which fortunatly failed!:lol:

plus, this idea that that mummy could have been that of Nefertiti, was not actually an original one! :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:42 am 
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Hello, and thank you for your posts, both of you, Maatkara and Osiris.

Unfortunately, that was a very old file in my computer, and I forgot to write down the url..., but I totally agree with you about dr. Fletcher's mistakes and Hawass and the SCA HAD to do something with this. And I understand what you wrote about digging in another country, Maatkara, even if no-one wants to dig here, in Hungary. :wink: And I laughed when I read 'goddess of egyptology'. Dr. Fletcher is not enough careful and too rash to deserve this title, in my opinion :wink:

And your English isn't awful Maatkara! It's much better than... well, much better than mine :oops:


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