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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:56 pm 
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Well spotted. I should not try to correct Bel's grammar when mine is so appaling. I am sorry :cry:
I also spelt 'theorem', 'spacecraft' and 'comparatively' incorrectly, but I think that you can forgive me for that!

lol :)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:46 pm 
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No we can't. :D :D :twisted: :D :D


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:36 am 
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Oh. I shall just go and cry. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:06 am 
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Its true only human marks are on the pyramid, no aliens made it, HOWEVER, i think it is an insult to the Egyptians memory to not even CONSIDER the possiblity that they were more advanced than they are credited with.

also, aparently they found the quarry that they got the building materials for the pyramid from, and when they were finished they filled it in with the ramp materials. there is something wrong

Any ramp would have a larger mass that the pyramid, it would bury the giza plateu in 1 meter, they took the SOLID STONE out of the quarry, built the GP whilst using the ramp to gain higher access, when they are finished they fill in the quarr, WHERE DID THE RAMP COME FROM< WHERE IS A MASS OF SAND GREATER THAN THE MASS OF THE GP MISSING FROM IF IT WAS PUT INTO THE QUARRY AFTER THERE IS A REALY BIG HOLE OUT IN THE DESERT SOMWHERE.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:11 am 
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and i dont want to think that the aliens built it, i am a patriotic human and proud to be,

(ecept a few human behavioural patterns i find degrading, yet everybody seems to do it)


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:33 am 
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Do you really think that they airlifted the ramp sand away? The chances are that they simply deconstructed it and used in the construction of the temple complex.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:06 am 
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hmm, well that wasnt on my mind, you see, like i said the mass of the ramp would be greater than the pyramid, making the ramp COVER THE WHOLE PYRAMID! (thus rendering it impossible for the workers to check their work, the alignment etc) also a bit of mud isnt going to hold it all together (yes yes, it was alot of mud) i dont know how they did it, i know that they couldnt do it like that with currently acredited technology (and i also am led to beleive it is unlikely that aliens built it)

HOWEVER, INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTIY<

OR

PROVABLE UNTIL DISPROVED!


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BenBen stone
PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:10 am 
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This is a previous post of mine. There is much more slant on this but I haven't the time for several day's. In the mean time you guy's can delve into this and see what you can discover and think. Opinion's here you guy's.
Also in reference to correct spelling etc ...., most often time's I am in a hurry during my post's and hey nobody is perfect. This isn't an English class - we're only studying Ancient Egypt. So Maybe instead of criticizing one another we can find a more common thread that pull's us together; not seperate. No one is another's judge or keeper; at least it shouldn't apply here at KTO. If that is going to happen the moderator's would be the one to say.

BenBen stone
Look at what we are still discovering......
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/09/0 ... index.html

also this is very interesting in theory..
http://www.ipstarships.com/Research6.htm

Just a twist for you guy's, so don't get bent. I've known about the benben stone for a long time. I have much more to share about it w/you if you are interested!


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Re: BenBen stone
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:25 am 
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bel wrote:

BenBen stone .... I have much more to share about it w/you if you are interested!


Hi Bel! i would be interested in more! However would you please put it in a new thread in the Ancient Egypt section :) The BenBen stone has little to do with Mars :wink: Or perhaps i should say Topic! :roll: Thanks!


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Alien's, Mar's - Source of our being
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:59 pm 
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For further direction's in reference to Mar's and our connection from time's of Antiquity see:

This was listed in related story's at the bottom of my previous post:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/05/2 ... index.html

And this is a more in depth discovery:
http://newsfromrussia.com/science/2004/04/23/53601.html

It is all interesting theory and I think worth looking at since we are studying Ancient Egypt and from whence we came? As we wonder how were the pyramd's actually built?
Theory's .....
http://www.robertbauval.com/articles/DE14.html

And just for some awe inspiring stuff how about this?
http://www.sacredsites.com/africa/egypt ... ramid.html

Is this more on subject Sekhmet?


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Re: Alien's, Mar's - Source of our being
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:41 pm 
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bel wrote:
Is this more on subject Sekhmet?


Much better thankyou Bel. :)
However, i for one would rather read about the BenBen stone :)


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benben stone
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:14 am 
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Is this what you wanted?

The story of creation related in the Pyramid Text explains that Re, as Atum, rose in the beginning of creation as a benben stone, an obelisk-like pillar, in the temple of the Benu-Phoenix in Heliopolis. He then spit forth Shu and Tefnut, who became the first godly couple, and who respectively, symbolized air and moisture. To them, Geb and Nut, were born, symbolizing the earth and sky. Geb and Nut, in turn, begot two divine couples consisting of Osiris - Isis and Seth - Nephthys. Called the Ennead of gods, the combined attributes of this divine group were needed in order for the world to function.

However, while Re is never paired with a goddess, he also bears several other off springs including, among others, his son the king, who becomes one with his father in death and the Goddess Hathor, who is often depicted with the solar disk in her headdress.

The story continues with Osiris, who is murdered by his brother Seth. In this version of the story, Re resurrects Osiris to rule over the dead. The deceased pharaoh identifies with both Re and Osiris, thus forming a link between them. Though Re and Osiris might be seen as complete opposites, death was not seen by the ancient Egyptians to be the end of life, but rather its original source.

Thus, in the Pyramid Text, Re is perpetually resurrected in the mornings in the form of a scarab beetle, Khepri, which means the Emerging One. He rides on the primordial waters, called Nun, in his sacred bark (boat) along with a number of other deities across the sky, where at sunset he becomes Atum, the "All Lord". At sunset, he is swallowed by the goddess Nut, who gives birth to him each morning again as Khepri. Therefore, the cycle continued with birth, life and death.

By the Middle Kingdom (about 2055 BC - 1759 BC), Re's character evolved and now several hymns tell us that he created the earth solely for mankind, who are made in his image. Now, evil, the opposite of Ma'at, comes from mankind's own deeds. While in life, it is the king who controls humans, rewarding the obedient and destroying the disobedient and evil, in death, it is Re who fills this role.


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Re: Alien's, Mar's - Source of our being
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:40 am 
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Sekhmet wrote:
bel wrote:
Is this more on subject Sekhmet?


Much better thankyou Bel. :)
However, i for one would rather read about the BenBen stone :)


Sekhmet, this was in my previous post (to your above mentioned post). Do you even read what I send or is it just to deep of a conception? I am just sending where I am lead. What about it is not truth?

Summary and Conclusion

Similar to many other cases of meteoritic worship by ancient peoples, it is also likely that the Benben stone once worshipped in the ‘Mansion Of The Phoenix’ was a meteorite. Its conical shape and its association with the pyramid’s capstone -the latter a likely symbol of the star-soul of the departed pharaoh made of ‘iron bones’- is very suggestive of an oriented iron-meteorite, possibly a mass within the 1 to 15 ton range. Such objects fallen from heaven were generally representative of ‘fallen stars’, and likely provided the Egyptian clergy with a tangible sample of a star-object, a ‘seed’ of Ra-Atum. It is recognised by many that the whole business of the rebirth rites performed for dead pharaohs was intensely, if not mainly, stellar. The well-known archeoastronomer E.C. Krupp rightly noted that “the language of the stellar cycles appears to be interchangeable with the language of funeral rites” (Krupp, P.216). It is also generally accepted that the essence of the royal funerary rites was the re-enactment of the resurrection of Osiris, the latter having been revived after death by magical rites of ‘mummification’ performed by Isis, thus becoming the first royal mummy. But this resurrection of Osiris as a ‘mummy’ is but an initial, partial stage of the magical rites, for the second and final stage was his self-transfiguration into a star-god, Sahu-Orion, in the form of which he becomes ruler of the Duat, a star-world for the souls (Hassan, p.286; Mercer, p.34). This second cosmic transfiguration is not often appreciated (Rundle Clark, p.122), nor is its stellar implication properly understood. All the rituals, ceremonies and litany for the royal funeral, however, are implicit of such a two-step transfiguration of the dead king. The fundamental point to be appreciated here is that both transfigurations i.e. corpse to ‘Osiris’, and ‘Osiris’ to ‘star-god’, were deemed to be materially possible. Firstly the dead king was made into a ‘dead Osiris’ (Champdor, p69), then followed his transfiguration into a ‘star-soul’. To achieve the first transfiguration i.e. a ‘dead Osiris’, the corpse was actually ornated in the image of Osiris via a complex preparation which today is somewhat loosely termed ‘mummification’. Then the ‘Osirianized’ corpse i.e. the mummy, through its own latent power, and also aided by magical spells recited by the clergy, was expected to self-transfigure into a ‘Sahu’, or spiritualised body (pyr. 1716; Wallis Budge BOD,lix; Hassan, p.314). That no connection or word-play was intended between Sah (Orion, soul of Osiris) and Sahu (spiritual body of the dead Osiris-king) appears very unlikely. In the Pyramid Age, this second stage viz. the self-transfiguration into a ‘star’, was conveniently left in the charge of the pyramid itself, the latter proclaimed by the clergy as a monument endowed with the power to induce the metamorphosis of a ‘dead Osiris’ into a ‘living star’ (Bauval DE 13). This was probably imagined to happen by the upwards transmittal of the soul of the entombed Osiris-king into his star-soul ‘seed’ i.e. the capstone/star-object crowning the pyramid. Thus the ‘seed’ of Ra-Atum was thrust skywards into the custody of the cosmic mother, the sky-goddess Nut, to be gestated and reborn at dawn as an ‘established’ star in the firmament. In the Pyramid Texts we read: “Nut has laid her hands on you, O King, even she whose hair is long and whose breasts hang down; she carries you for herself to the sky, she will never cast the king down to earth. She bears you, O King, like Orion…” (pyr. 2171-2) “The King has come to you, O Mother of the king, he has come to Nut, that you may bring the sky to the king and hang up the stars for him, for his savior is the savior of your son who issued from you, the king’s savior is that of Osiris your son who issued from you” (pyr. 1516). If we link up these passages with passage 1657 “this king is Osiris, this pyramid of the king is Osiris” then much sense is made of, and modality given to this esoteric litany.


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Re: Alien's, Mar's - Source of our being
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:01 pm 
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bel wrote:
Sekhmet wrote:
bel wrote:
Is this more on subject Sekhmet?


Much better thankyou Bel. :)
However, i for one would rather read about the BenBen stone :)


Sekhmet, this was in my previous post (to your above mentioned post). Do you even read what I send or is it just to deep of a conception? I am just sending where I am lead. What about it is not truth?


Hi Bel is this the post you mean the BenBen stuff was in?
bel wrote:
For further direction's in reference to Mar's and our connection from time's of Antiquity see:


No i didn't read it for the following reasons. i am not interested in combinding gobboly goop mysticism into my studies of Ancient Egypt. Been there done that and dismissed it long ago. Such nonsense is based upon a lack of real information about Ancient Egypt. That thankfully almost 200 years of Egyptianology is slowing correcting.

Nor was i expecting BenBen information in the Alien's, Mar's Source of our being News section... Especially after i warned you about Topic.

You take yourself to serious Bel, LOL you to deep for my conception LOL no way. We both know that i have been on to you since the beginning.

Watch your topic Bel. Last warning. But my thanks stand :)


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:55 am 
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That's exactly what I thought. Since this is above and beyond KTO scope I feel I'm wasting my time here.

Sniped by Sekhmet

You just want everybody to see thing's exactly like you do, now don't you?

I would expect more out of a moderator!

Censored by Sekhmet, for being off topic, and a personal attack.


Sekhmt wrote:
No Bel, i don't want everyone to see things like i do...

i do hope this is what you meant when you said, "I would expect more out of a moderator!"


Topic is locked and any protests please PM Sekhmet


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