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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2003 3:02 pm 
i am doing a report on nefertiti and i need to know what her role is the rule of egypt :?:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2003 3:26 pm 
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She was the queen of Egypt in the 18th dynasty, her husband was the Pharoah Akhenaten, who changed the Egyptian belief in many gods to the belief of one god. The most famous statue of her is the Berlin Bust. Nefertiti was the stepmother of Tut and supposedly Smenkhkare. Her name means "The Beautiful One has Come." She mysteriously disappeared after one of her 6 girls died. (her only children) I think it was Meketaten. No one knows who her parents where, her birthyear, her deathyear, or much about her except when she was wife to Akhenaten. (Akhenaten is also known as Amenhotep IV. Might have been the III.) Need more info? Just ask! I just did I report on her, too.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2003 5:36 pm 
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Some think that she disappeared because her husband found out that she didn't believe in what he was doing to his people, which was making them belive in only one god and he shut down all the temples, etc down that had to do with any god other than Aton, the sun god, and so therefore her husband banished her from the land. Others think that she died from an illiness, no one knows for sure. I know this is about how she disappeared but if you want to know more just email me, I think my address is in my profile, if not then just send me a private message. I have done a lot of research on Nefertiti so I hope this has been helpful.


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Nefertiti the step mom?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:54 am 
Don't we really need genetic testing done to say with any real authority who was Tut's mom or stepmom?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:36 am 
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How would genetic testing prove or disprove if Nefertiti was Tut's stepmom?????


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:25 am 
Neb-Ma'at-Re, genetic testing proves or disproves the family relationship of one person to another. That is how genetic testing would prove or disprove Nefertiti being Tut's stepmom or mother as i believe.

The real problem is getting hold of Nefertiti's genetic makeup to do such a test. That is if Islamic Egyptian authorities would allow such a test in the first place. (They don't normally allow it)

Okay say that problem the Islamic authorities allow the testing to be done. We return to the problem of getting Nefertiti's genetic makeup.

Myself i would chose the Elder Lady from Tomb KV35 for the first testing. I agree with Dr. Susan E. James in her article "Who is Mummy Elder Lady?" In KMT A Modern Journal of Ancient Egypt Volume 12, Number 2 Summer 2001. In that it is this mummy the Elder Lady that is Queen Nefertiti, not the Younger Lady.

The Elder Lady is more comonly believed to be Queen Tiye, Nefertiti's mother-in-law but Dr. James in the forementioned article explains (to my satisfaction anyway ) why the Queen Tiye identification is wrong.

Another reason i believe the Elder Lady to have been Nefertiti is on account of her head of hair, not a wig like so many other Royal women. The removal of all body hair was a common royal obligation due to their relation and service to the Ancient Gods of Egypt. Nefertiti is alone in that as Queen she did not serve those Gods and hence the need to remove her head of hair would not be so required.

Because i do not believe that Akhenaten loved Nefertiti so much as to overlook her common background (if she really was), excusing her for not providing him with a royal male heir, and making her Great Royal Wife over the mother of his sons. This rings more like Victorian fiction than Late Bronze Age Royal Egyptian reality to me. He needed a son, if not for tradition then for the sake of his religious reforms.

One might argue that his own common mother was Great Royal Wife, okay granted but at least Queen Tiye gave her husband 2 sons to earn that title.
I might add that neighter son was ever shown with their Royal parents as a child unlike Akhenaten's sisters who where shown in temple scenes. (See Dr. Joyce Tyldesley's book Nefertiti, Penguin Books (1998), page 52)

Dr. Nicholas Reeves in his book The Complete Tutankhamun, The King, The Tomb, The Royal Treasure, Thames and Hudson pubishers ,(1997) writes on page 23 about "the monuments which are now known to have been usurped from Akhenaten's scondary wife, Kiya." He follows this up on page 25 repeating again that Kiya's monuments are appropriated by Nefertitie's daughter Meritaten.

This is all agreed with in Dr. Joyce Tyldesley's book Nefertiti, page 153. Same book pages 155-157 we have Kiya's coffin being remade into a Kings coffin and being resealed in KV55 tomb under the sealings of Tutankhamun. Some son he doesn't elevate his mother to even King's Wife status but seals her coffin for his dad! While Tuthmosis III raised his common mother in statue to God's Wife. (see Women in Ancient Egypt, by Gay Robbins, Havard Press, (1993) page 151.)

No i do not believe Kiya was his mother or even the mother of Smenkhare, despite pg 130 in Tyldesley's book "There is also strong circumstantial evidence to suggest that Kiya gave Akhenaten at least two sons." She was just to DISRESPECTED after death to ever have been the mother of Pharaoh.

So this leaves us with who might have been their mother, Queens Tiye, or Sitamen? But if either of these Queens had been their mother, why no inclusion of her? They would not and did not suffer the comtamination of Akhenaten in later years. The mother of these boys could not be honored for some reason. I like to believe because she was the Queen of that Criminal Akhenaten.

Nefertiti, had no monuments destroyed after her death, or the death of husband. Why?

So if we go back to the Elder Lady and test her DNA against the KNOWN DNA of Tutankhamun. Remember she is thought to be Queen Tiye, (see Dr. James article), and we know that Queen Tiye was related to Tut either as,or as both grandmother and mother. If it is maternal DNA we can at least rule out poor abused Kiya as his mother and Tut gains in that he didn't disgrace his mother after her death.

Aw but the catch is Islamic Egyptian Authorities don't allow genetic testing at this time.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:13 pm 
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Thank you for the lengthy explanation but my question was more of a sarcastic nature. I am fully aware of the beneifits, procedure, and current problems surrounding DNA testing of Ancient Egyptian mummies.

My question was "How would genetic testing prove or disprove if Nefertiti was Tut's stepmom(non blood related)?" I understand what you meant though.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:21 pm 
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Too bad they won't allow DNA testing. Did you know that Zahi Hawass is the one that gives the OK for it? He won't let them. You'd think that he of all people would want to find out who was related to who!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:56 pm 
i agree with Akhenaton on the Zahi Hawass thing. I think he should allow DNA testing because it would solve a lot of major problems.


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Genetie testing of stepmom
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:41 am 
Neb-Ma'at-Re wrote:
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Thank you for the lengthy explanation but my question was more of a sarcastic nature. I am fully aware of the beneifits, procedure, and current problems surrounding DNA testing of Ancient Egyptian mummies.

My question was "How would genetic testing prove or disprove if Nefertiti was Tut's stepmom(non blood related)?" I understand what you meant though.



I am sorry for the lenghty answer. I did understand your intent. It is why you got such a lenghty answer. There is far to much repetation of Victorian and modern updates of the original Victorian belief, of certain members of the late 18th dynasty. You offered me the opportunity to point out flaws in the current understanding of those family relationships. As long as readers just repeat what the scholars say nothing will change. It should change because much of what they say make little sense in light of the greater knowledge of Ancient Egypt.
Thankyou for the opportunity to point out the flaws. I stress again there is nothing in Egyptian history that eliminates Nefertiti as the mother of King Tut. In fact the history shows that she is far more likely to have been his mother than merely stepmother as so many believe. Her elimination dates to the Victorian age and the lack of adequate knowledge of Egyptian history of that time.[/code]


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