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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:40 pm 
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:roll: :shock: 8) those are crazy! :lol:


You're crazy! (You're on a message board full of people discussing ancient Egypt. Surely you don't expect everyone here to be fully sane? ;) )

Neb-Ma'at-Re, I like this time travel thing you've suggested. I didn't think of it before, but the Stargate episode entitled "1969" demonstrated that such fiendish manoeuvers are completely within the realm of possibility. But wait! How do I know that you're not a Goau'ld, trying to lead me off in the wrong direction, freeing you from my keen, inquiring mind while you complete your devilry and attempt to enslave my race?! No, you worm, I won't be fooled! I think this whole Stargate show they air is a hoax. It's suspicious to me that every single planet they purportedly visit bears an uncanny resemblance to the Canadian province British Columbia. Or in the episode where Teal'c was hallucinating that he was a firefighter, he was a member of the Coquitlam FD, a town in... you guessed, BC! Or the very old ep where they were all held and forced to relive their worst moments over and over and over took place in a garden that happens to be identical to... wait for it... a well-known garden in BC. Darn Goau'ld trickery! I can see right through you! You'd best start packing, I'm hoping to take a trip to BC in a couple of weeks, and when I get there, I'll be prepared to deal with you!

BTW, just for the record, I'm not a he. I'm a she. Nefer Sat -> Beautiful Daughter. (I couldn't find a translation for Crazy Old Spinster, so that'll have to do.) But I realize that my bitingly sarcastic style of writing does have masculine characteristics.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:49 am 
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ehm...i just realize I was writing as an anonimous...but it was ME! sorry!...it was a mistake! :lol:

anyway...do you think a Stargate can be of any help with diet???

I need to know! 8)


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:12 pm 
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So while you guy's are having a jolly good time here....
are you in essense telling us that you believe that the only living organism's in the universe are we? These grain's of sand (that are so significant) in the milky way?
Really??


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:40 am 
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Oh Ntr!Si, Bel I do...sorry! :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:42 am 
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Actually bel, if you read 13 posts back, my response to Osiris II where I discuss the Zeta Reticuli sytem, you will find there some truth to it (not the Alantis and Akehenaten stuff). This of course is not comon knowledge. I didn't just pull that from nowhere. I learned this from Betty...wink..wink.

If you do your homework here you will know exactly what I mean, if you don't already.

I am not opposed to the idea that there is life elsewhere in this universe and the possibility of extraterrestrial visitors, however I do think it is quite rediculous to accredit everything from the past that lacks a solid answer to such beings, like the great construction projects of Ancient Egypt for instance.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:43 am 
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If anyone can rationally explain to me why visitors from another galaxy would travel millions of miles to come to earth, oversee or construct the Great Pyramid, leave absolutely no trace of their visit and then leave the planet, I would believe it happened. Until that event, I will remain a dis-believer. And please--no estorical explanations!


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 9:26 am 
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Osirius,
I agree with you completely but when you say you are a dis-beleiver do you also refer to the possibility that life may exist elsewhere in the universe and the possibility that such life may have developed the ability to travel vast distances in search of life elsewhere in the galaxy?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:23 pm 
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I'm not so narrow minded or innocent enough to dis-believe in the existance of life sowhere else in the Universe. And I also think it's possible that some other life form may have developed inter-planetary travel. What I cannot believe is as I said, the concept that a more advanced race, travelled here 6000 years ago to built a pyramid and then leave without a trace.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:38 pm 
yes, I do believe exactly the same! :D


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:07 pm 
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Okay, if you insist on fighting about it than here:
http://www.myastrologybook.com/The-Univ ... -years.htm

And look at what else is to be found if your looking:
SPECIAL
REPORT OF THE
USAF SCIENTIFIC ADVISORY BOARD
AD HOC COMMITTEE TO REVIEW
PROJECT "BLUE BOOK"

MARCH 1966



I. INTRODUCTION

As requested in a memorandum from Major General E. B. LeBailly, Secretary of the Air Force Office of Information dated 28 September 1965 (Tab A), an SAB Ad Hoc Committee met on 3 February 1966 to review Project "Blue Book". The objectives of the Committee are to review the resources and methods of investigation prescribed by Project "Blue Book" and to advise the Air Force of any improvements that can be made in the program to enhance the Air Force's capability in carrying out its responsibility.

In order to bring themselves up to date, the members of the Committee initially reviewed the findings of previous scientific panels charged with looking into the UFO problem. Particular attention was given to the report of the Robertson panel which was rendered in January 1953. The Committee next heard briefings from the AFSC Foreign Technology Division, which is the cognizant Air Force agency that collates information on UFO sightings and monitors investigations of individual cases. Finally, the Committee reviewed selected case histories of UFO sightings with particular emphasis on those that have not been identified.

II. DISCUSSION

Although about 6% (646) of all sightings (10,147) in the years 1947 through 1965 are listed by the Air Force as "Unidentified", it appears to the Committee that

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most of the cases so listed are simply those in which the information available does not provide an adequate basis for analysis. In this connection it is important also to note that no unidentified objects other than those of an astronomical nature have ever been observed during routine astronomical studies, in spite of the large number of observing hours which have been devoted to the sky. As examples of this the Palomar Observatory Sky Atlas contains some 5000 plates made with large instruments with wide field of view; the Harvard Meteor Project of 1954-1958 provided some 300 hours of observation; the Smithsonian Visual Prairie Network provided 2500 observing hours. Not a single un-identified object has been reported as appearing on any of these plates or been sighted visually in all these observations.

The Committee concluded that in the 19 years since the first UFO was sighted there has been no evidence that unidentified flying objects are a threat to our national security. Having arrived at this conclusion the Committee then turned its attention to considering how the Air Force should handle the scientific aspects of the UFO problem. Unavoidably these are also related to Air Force public relations, a subject on which the Committee is not expert. Thus the recommendations which follow are made simply from the scientific point of view.

III. CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS

It is the opinion of the Committee that the present Air Force program dealing with UFO sightings has been well organized, although the resources assigned to it (only one officer, a sergeant, and secretary) have been quite limited. In 19 years and more than 10,000 sightings recorded and classified, there appears to be no verified and fully satisfactory evidence of any case that is clearly outside the framework of presently

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known science and technology. Nevertheless, there is always the possibility that analysis of new sightings may provide some additions to scientific knowledge of value to the Air Force. Moreover, some of the case records which the Committee looked that were listed as "identified" were sightings where the evidence collected was too meager or indefinite to permit positive listing in the identified category. Because of this the Committee recommends that the present program be strengthened to provide opportunity for scientific investigation of selected sightings in more detail and depth than has been possible to date.

To accomplish this it is recommended that:

A. Contracts be negotiated with a few selected universities to provide scientific teams to investigate promptly and in depth certain selected sightings of UFO's. Each team should include at least one psychologist, preferably one interested in clinical psychology, and at least one physical scientist, preferably an astronomer or geophysicist familiar with atmospheric physics. The universities should be chosen to provide good geographical distribution, and should be within convenient distance of a base of the Air Force Systems Command (AFSC).

B. At each AFSC base an officer skilled in investigation (but not necessarily with scientific training) should be designated to work with the corresponding university team for that geographical section. The local representative of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI) might be a logical choice for this.

C. One university or one not-for-profit organization should be selected to coordinate the work of the teams mentioned under A above, and also to make certain of very close communication and coordination with the office of Project Blue Book.

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It is thought that perhaps 100 sightings a year might be subjected to this close study, and that possibly an average of 10 man days might be required per sighting so studied. The information provided by such a program might bring to light new facts of scientific value, and would almost certainly provide a far better basis than we have today for decision on a long term UFO program.

The scientific reports on these selected sightings, supplementing the present program of the Project Blue Book office, should strengthen the public position of the Air Force on UFO's. It is, therefore, recommended that:

A. These reports be printed in full and be available on request.

B. Suitable abstracts or condensed versions be printed and included in, or as supplements to, the published reports of Project Blue Book.

C. The form of report (as typified by "Project Blue Book" dated 1 February 1966) be expanded, and anything which might suggest that information is being withheld (such as the wording on page 5 of the above cited reference) be deleted. The form of this report can be of great importance in securing public understanding and should be given detailed study by an appropriate Air Force office.

D. The reports "Project Blue Book" should be given wide unsolicited circulation among prominent members of the Congress and other public persons as a further aid to public understanding of the scientific approach being taken by the Air Force in attacking the UFO problem.

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No, I didn't make this up! But just in case, what make's you so sure that the government doesn't have their own little secret's ... why, everybody just about does ... now, don't they? So what's up?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:26 pm 
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Uh bel? ...Who's fighting? ...We all just agreed that we feel it is possible that life exists elwhere in the universe and that such life may have developed inter-planetary travel.

We, excluding you im sure, also all agreed that based on a lack of any evidence we feel the pyramids of Egypt were not built by such beings.

The information you post also lacks this evidence.

I am fully aware of blue book, MJ-12, and projects SIGN and GRUDGE that came before them. I am quite knowlegable about Roswell, and many other cases. I have seen Stanton Friedman,Kevin Randall,Bruce Macabee and others speak at symposiums. I have a number of books on UFO's and Alien abduction, and have recorded over 80 hours of UFO documentaries. I guess you didn't pick up on the reference I made earlier to the Zeta Reticuli system and 'Betty'. I was refering to Betty Hill from the famous abduction case of Betty and Barney Hill from 1961. Check it out you will find it quite interesting.

You don't have to convince me of extraterrestrial life, what you have not convinced me or anyone else is that any beings besides the Ancient Egyptians built the pyramids.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:48 pm 
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Okay am I bad 8)
http://www.teamatlantis.com/yucatan_tes ... ation.html
just for thought :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:29 am 
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I guess I feel it is my duty to add my little quip on the subject of there actually being another form of life out there.

What causes you to believe that there are worlds out in the Universe that support life that are apart from our Earth? Is it the insanely immense size of the Universe? Perhaps it is the zillions of galaxies? Well, think of it this way.

I'm basing this off of some old theories of mine that no one yet has been able to prove wrong, so therefore I must be right! ..Right? :wink:

There are three main types of galaxies:
    irregular
    spiral
    eliptical


Irregular galaxies are the shapeless, unclassified galaxies that blob about. Hydrogen and helium contents are high, and there are no stars in the sense we know them, but large groupings of the gasses webbed throughout each other, causing illumination. Because of the randomized blobularness of the irregular galaxy, terrestrial (rocky) planets cannot exist. I speculate that only jovian (gasious) planets could exist; quite rarely, around the edges of these irregular galaxies.

Spiral galaxies constitute the one's we are most familiar with (e.g. Milky Way, Andromeda, etc.). These are created when two or more irregular galaxies floating off in the Universe effect each other's path by gravitational pulls unto each other. Try to think of rolling two marbles into an intersecting path at an angle. They will bounce off of each other and spin in opposite directions of one another. Keep in mind that the marble metaphor is only a metaphor. If galaxies were to collide, all, if any life within would be destroyed. But in any case, the spinning of the galaxy will cause the gasses to uniformize, and instead of blob around, will begin to ball up, and flatten (this is why spiral galaxies are flat, and why solar systems' planets revolve around their star(s) in a flattened pattern. Anyhoo, in our Milky Way, for example, we know that we live on Earth, a planet somewhere around the outer rim of the galaxy. Why is this? Because this is the part of the galaxy that is best suited for supporting life. There is enough heat to keep life going, but it is cool enough not to burn us.

Eliptical galaxies are the old, dying galaxies of the Universe. These galaxies were formally spiral galaxies, and once full of rich supplies of hydrogen and helium. However, after countless eons of time, the gasses were expunged, the stars are dying. The rotation of the eliptical galaxy is starting to decrease from a dragging gravitational pull from other galaxies. You can look at eliptical galaxies like this: There is enough heat to sustain life, but it has cooled to the point where while the outer rim of the galaxy is uninhabitable, the concentrated bulge of the galaxies center is warm enough to sustain life. While the outer rim of the galaxy may by larger, it is not necessarily a larger area. Think of the rim as a ring. In this ring, and only in very exacting conditions can life exist. Now, if you go inside the ring and make a smaller ring, but of a fatter line surrounding the center of out galactical circle, there you will find the eliptical galaxy's inhabital point. I believe it would be possible, but harder to sustain life here, because there is heat coming from both the inside and the outside of the inhabital ring. It'd just be too hot!

Now, even though there are countless galaxies out there, you have to remember that not all parts of galaxies are inhabitable. It takes very very exacting conditions to create life, and allow it to evolve. I'm not saying I don't believe in alien life, I know it exists somewhere out there; I just don't think the possibilities of contact are great enough to spend any deal of time worrying about.

And to SG-1 fans that are taking it literally, remember: it's a t.v. show; Hollywood. I love the show, too. It has some interesting stories, plenty of action, and its concepts are based around the two areas of study I love most: Egyptology and Astronomy. What could be greater?

...I suppose this was more of an astonomical philosophy post.. Oh well :D

Edit >> I finally remembered the real name of the first galaxy - irregular; not obscure!


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:36 am 
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Oh, and Neb - I'll have to say I'm one of the ones who does not believe you about this.

Thanks to Reading Rainbow, I have learned that in African culture, as well as some American Indian tribe (I'm sorry, I can't remember the specific name!); oh, and in the Mayan/sub-Mayan cultures of central and south-America, it is tradition to have your head "squished" between two wooden boards as a child. The cause of the squish will cause your head to elongate, and look well, very unnatural. In some rare instances, however, this elongation can occur by birth alone. In the sixth grade, one of my friends had a head that looked like that "squish" happened to her, but her family was of a Celto-German decent; what reason would they have to squish their daughter's head? As far as other elongated features, I bring to point Jimi Hendrix. If you'll notice in pictures and video, Jimi's fingers are unusually long; but why is this? Well, he actually has an extra line of knuckles! No one knows the cause of this, but it's just how it is. Now, for toes. There are two types of toe layouts. Big toe, and the rest are smaller than the big toe; and are really just "nubs". And Big toe, and the rest of the toes more like stubby little fingers. For height; I mean.. come on. Being unusually tall does not mean you were the result of alien crossbreeding! My point is that not everyone is the same. There is a .03% difference in the genetic code of all human beings, and even though it is a small percentage, you must remember how vast the genetic code really is. The only way two people can be completely physically identical is if they were born as identical twins. People are different, and there are constant little mutations in us.

Now, for Atlantis. Give me hard, viable proof that Atlantians were aliens. More so, give me undisputible proof that even if they were from the Zeta Reticuli system, that the system could even support life! If you're a frequent watcher of the Discovery Channel like I was before we had to get rid of cable, you would have no doubtedly seen the little show on "discovering Atlantis". They explained that after the thousands of years since the Greco-era, the earth has changed. Back then, there were frequent earthquakes due to passing fault-lines. The earthquakes actually happened in the Mediterranian Sea. The vibrations from the quakes bounced off the shores of the south-southeastern area of the Mediterranian Sea, and came back to the area of Greece to cause tsunamis. In these tsunamis, cities near the shore would sometimes be lost due to large portions of the coastline falling into the sea. Right now, the scientists have found one such city, and are studying the site to figure if this is Atlantis or not!

I know it's not hard facts, but I felt it had to be addressed. I just can't let you get away with sounding smart because you say things like "we now know", and not back up your claims! :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:12 pm 
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(quote)Now, for Atlantis. Give me hard, viable proof that Atlantians were aliens.

Can I humbly ask you to give me proof that they even existed? There has been no find, anywhere in the world, of a stele, manuscript, wall carving or painting that has contained the name of the people supposedly Atlantians.
As far as a city being found that is being investigated as being Atlantis--don't hold your breath waiting for the results. Since the time of Plato--who concieved Atlantis--the site has been "found" many times, and every time, after the first public hoo-haw, it is never mentioned in the press again.
Without doubt, there have been many cities and civilizations that have been destroyed by nature. But there is absolutely NO evidence of a superior civilization that has faced such destruction.
It's an old concept, but one I have made before.
If any people lived in Egypt prior to the known peoples, where is the physical evidence of the existance of such people?


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