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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:22 pm 
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While I agree that the bust should be returned to Egypt, I find it is better to argue for the sake of argument.

Here, for example, not everything is always "by law". In this article found at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4458105.stm.. well, here's the quote..

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Italian troops seized the obelisk in 1937 and took it to Rome, where it has remained ever since, despite a 1947 UN agreement to return it to Ethiopia.


It took 10 years for the UN to recognize the obelisk, and 58 years for Rome to do anything about it!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:37 am 
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so what??? they did it at last!....that's already something.... :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:40 am 
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Unas wrote:
While I agree that the bust should be returned to Egypt, I find it is better to argue for the sake of argument.

Here, for example, not everything is always "by law". In this article found at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4458105.stm.. well, here's the quote..

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Italian troops seized the obelisk in 1937 and took it to Rome, where it has remained ever since, despite a 1947 UN agreement to return it to Ethiopia.


It took 10 years for the UN to recognize the obelisk, and 58 years for Rome to do anything about it!


Yes and that is because Etiopia is not a superpower like the US or England
if it hade been reversed there hade been an invasion of Etiopia to make them follow UN Resolution.

But Italy finally did what Germany England and France would not do!
They followed UN and returned the obelisk. Yes it did take a longtime
but Germany England and France have done nothing!!!! since dawn of time

I salute Italy and are proude to be a fellow citizen with them
Germany England and France should be a shamed!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:32 am 
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that obelisk was anyhow broken into several pieces and abandoned on the ground....It's true that we took it to Italy, but at least it has been restored. This is what happen also to all the other pieces in England, France and Germany...and we should also remind that too...

in other words, Claude, try to be softner! :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:45 am 
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that obelisk was anyhow broken into several pieces and abandoned on the ground....It's true that we took it to Italy, but at least it has been restored. This is what happen also to all the other pieces in England, France and Germany...and we should also remind that too...

in other words, Claude, try to be softner! :wink:


I am humble and grateful to all countries who have preserved and taken
care of those relics and I hope that Egypt and Dr. Hawass is the same!
And we should all be grateful for that, I agree with you abut this.

But the time has come to bring this relics back and thanks to the
preserving on them they can return where they belong.

Then we can put some question abut the preserving done in Berlin
and the Obelisk in France. But Italy and England have done a fine job
when they did take care of this objects


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:53 am 
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maatkara wrote:
so what??? they did it at last!....that's already something.... :wink:


Yes, but only under extreme pressure from the U.N. - was the bust said to be returned through U.N. rule, or by Hawass'? If it were U.N. rule, it would be law. If it were the word of Hawass, it would be nothing but rambling!

..I ask because I don't know :)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:57 pm 
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Italy was planning to give the obelisk back since quite a while. Everybody here knows!...it was not because of "extreme pressure" of UN !!!! this is quite a foolishness!!....why should be Italy under extreme pressure of UN according to you??this is a nonsense. :shock:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:18 pm 
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I'm just going off of what I heard from the BBC. I live in the U.S., yes - but on the Public Broadcast Channel, they have an airing of the past weeks events. Sorry for the mixup, but don't blame the messenger! :cry:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:35 am 
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It was a agreement between Italy and Ethiopia negotiated by UN
The issue abut transport and the cost of transport was the only problem to be solved.

This is Info from UNESCO....

And yes it should not be Hawass law :wink:
But he are speaking with UN resolution in his back...
His language can be a little bitt direct so i understand the confusion :wink:

But he is the man in charge so you just have to get used to it and
read between the lines...... 8)


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:52 am 
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Hey how abut this i found at the Museum of London :?

Dont remember who it was that claimed that Cairo Museum
did not show all their objects,
I also asked why people visited the museum? Now we got the answer :wink:
well read this abut Brittish Musem
and tell what you think of their own behavior :twisted:

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Dr. Neal Spencer, Assistant Keeper of the Department of Ancient Egypt
and the Sudan at the British Museum

“About 90% of all visitors to the British Museum come specifically to see
the Egyptian Section, and the Rosetta Stone in particular”, he confirmed
in an interview in his office at the museum. However, he admitted that
only 4% of the estimated 110,000 objects at the museum are on display.
The rest are stored and classified and only taken out for research, special
exhibitions or conservation work. These objects are only accessible by
appointment.


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So now I now its abut money and nothing else
So what can we say :?: You dont send that stone back and
lose 90% of the visitors when you have nothing else to replace it with


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:24 am 
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DROP IT, for Gods sake can this sodding conversation over the Rosetta stone just stop? All it does is cause rifts and problems for us all. Stop it now before we end up with this topic locked!


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:48 am 
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Why thank you, Si-amun, for saying what I was gonna say.


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 12:58 pm 
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Its ok, it makes a nice change for me to NOT cause / carry on the row! lol


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 3:26 pm 
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Well what is wrong with you people :?:
Drop this, Shut up Lock topic Is that your answer :?:
Maybe you should Bann me from this forum :?:

When someone use arguments in a Debate and they are proven wrong
is there not the freedom of speech and civil rights to tell abut this.

If you have such low and I mean Low... self knowledge that you have
to lock a topic when your arguments are empty, when you now that
you have told a lie then its soooo low.

Why not make a comment on the fact that your Museum
is holding the Stone hostage be cause 90 % of your income
is in fact because you have the stone

And to tell us that you do such a great work showing those relics to the public
when you in fact are only showing 4%

Why not comment that???????????????????????????????????????
instead of telling people to shut up!!!! come down from your high horses
and be a real human. If you cant take this then you surely would
BANN me from this forum because I want shut up...

Now I stated my point and want continue this silly stupid argument with
you as long as you acting like spoiled children.... and grow up :!:




Claude Oliver Seagen


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Let there be peace! Please...?
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 5:17 pm 
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O_O; My goodness...I just read all of this, and it seems it went from "Arguing with Hawass" to "Arguing with everyone". This is dreadfull...I hope there won't be any riots of any kind V_V; I can't stand those... :cry: Makes me rather sad. *Hopes for peace in the forum*


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