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Lostris
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but I like Thutmose III he had a mischievous smile Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sneferu and Seti I

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rameses II~~~~~~
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Tut and Akhenaten, as you can all tell by my drawing of them below ^_^ They're both very interesting, and I love the Amarna period!! Laughing Hehe...
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Psusennes I
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it comes to Egyptian art, Senwosret III's statues of himself are fantastic too. At the period of their design, artists wanted to achieve a more true-to-life appearance in their statues rather than just defaulting to standardised expressions and characterless carvings. In the case of Senwosret III, the sculptors of his statues annunciated his rather spectacular ears:

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psusennes I wrote:
When it comes to Egyptian art, Senwosret III's statues of himself are fantastic too. At the period of their design, artists wanted to achieve a more true-to-life appearance in their statues rather than just defaulting to standardised expressions and characterless carvings. In the case of Senwosret III, the sculptors of his statues annunciated his rather spectacular ears:


Shocked Those ears really ARE spectacular... ^_^ Interesting to see that the Amarna age wasn't the only era for "Art according to Ma'at." Though, if I may ask, were there other dynasties in Egyptian history that also believed in true-to-life art? So far as I've researched--and my resources are, sadly, limited-- usually pharaohs were depicted as perfect (and no doubt, they wanted to be seen as a living god, knowing full well they were seen as one ^_^; ). And please, correct me if I'm wrong, If need be. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your sources aren't at all flawed, you're absolutely right when you say that it was most common for the Pharaohs (and officials) to be sterotyped and shown to be perfect. Senwosret III's statuary is unique in that he is shown as a real, living leader, weary with age and rulership rather than an innacessible God. The naturalistic qualities of the statues make him seem more true to life and real, his statues being quite possibly the oldest on the planet to show an identifiable figure as they truly appeared in life. Egyptologists fuss over how these statues represents a change in the Pharaoh's iconography, how Senwosret is shown as a wise, honest official and not a vain psuedo-deity.

The trend was not followed as strongly by Senwosret's succesor, Amenemhat III, and was abandoned completely shortly afterwards. The slightly haunting character visible in Senwosret's tired, almost melancholic countenance died with him.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the only pharaohs--at least to my knowledge-- who used true-to-life art were Akhenaten and Senwosret III? Well, at least it gives us a glimpse into how some pharaohs were imperfect, after all. And I'm glad you said that my sources were not flawed, and I just didn't want the impression that I was looking at the wrong information. A few people on here, as I've seen in many forums, are mislead by different websites and/or books that state one theory, but another source could hold an entirely new concept. So, with that, thanks. ^_^ I'm really glad that there are nice people on here who understand where I'm coming from. Very Happy ( Though, might I add, Tut wasn't really perfect, either, being the son of Akhenaten and all. Shocked But he was still a cute pharaoh. ^_^ ).
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tut, a cute Pharaoh? Studies show that he was probably decrepid and sickly with spine problems- but hey. Whatever floats your boat. Also, I wouldn't go as far as saying that Akhenaten and Senwosret III were the only Pharaohs to potray themselves in a lifelike manner, but rather they were both pioneers in new artistic styles.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if Ramses II could be considered a user of the armanic art form? I speak of course, of the huge temple with all the likenesses of him guarding the entrance.

...I posted something similar to this at glyphdoctors, but sadly, it was overlooked. I also wish I could have been contraband to this discussion a bit earlier, as I have missed my chance to throw in my crazy slant on things that have since been discussed! Oh well, I guess..?
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psusennes I wrote:
Tut, a cute Pharaoh? Studies show that he was probably decrepid and sickly with spine problems- but hey. Whatever floats your boat. Also, I wouldn't go as far as saying that Akhenaten and Senwosret III were the only Pharaohs to potray themselves in a lifelike manner, but rather they were both pioneers in new artistic styles.


^_^; Well, heh, ok, Tut was a sickly teenager, that much is true. Though Tut is one of my favorite pharaohs, but I don't really want to start a debate on the young pharaoh's health Shocked . But I do agree with you that Akhenaten and Senwosret III were pioneers in art, and that's one of the more interesting occurences in Egyptian history. If I'm not mistaken--and sorry to drift off the subject of art--Akhenaten also introduced late Egyptian as a language, which would be like how modern english is spoken today. ( I don't know exactly for sure, but this is what I've learned. ^_^; Like I said, I'm only asking...).
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unas wrote:
I wonder if Ramses II could be considered a user of the armanic art form? I speak of course, of the huge temple with all the likenesses of him guarding the entrance.

...I posted something similar to this at glyphdoctors, but sadly, it was overlooked. I also wish I could have been contraband to this discussion a bit earlier, as I have missed my chance to throw in my crazy slant on things that have since been discussed! Oh well, I guess..?


You didn't miss anything, really ^_^; Ramses II used Armanic art? But...weren't he and Horemheb the ones who wanted to destroy any evidence that Akhenaten even exsisted? Actually, come to think of it, Both Akhenaten and Tut were omitted from the king's list. But anyway, it was Ramses who usurped Akhenaten's art (Statues and such, even the city of Akhetaten was razed to the ground and re-used in Ramses's construction projects) and changed it back to the old way (Of course, Horemheb did first, but all that matters is that it was changed back. ^_^; I hope I'm on the right track... ).
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Armna Art period influenced Egyptian art very much, and for cenuries after Akhenaton, a "softing" of features could be seen, both in sculpture and in painting. The human body, though not in such a pronouced way as in earlier Amarna art, became softer, rounder--more pleasant to look at. There seems to be a truer perspective used, and there continued to be a heavy emphasis on nature.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osiris II wrote:
The Armna Art period influenced Egyptian art very much, and for cenuries after Akhenaton, a "softing" of features could be seen, both in sculpture and in painting. The human body, though not in such a pronouced way as in earlier Amarna art, became softer, rounder--more pleasant to look at. There seems to be a truer perspective used, and there continued to be a heavy emphasis on nature.


Ah, yes. ^_^; That's right, nature in art was more exaggerated and more vivacious. Well, it did influence many dynasties from the 18th onwards, and I think Akhenatan was an unappreciated pharaoh. He didn't really get enough credit for the changes he made. Heh, I'm so pro-Akhenaten. ^_^;
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amenhotep III

Definitely. Ruled at the most glorious apex of Egypt.
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