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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:27 pm    Post subject: Paper on Ankhesenamun Reply with quote

Hi
sorry to bother you all only just seen this site
I am an egyptologist writing a paper on Ankhesenamun and would be really interested to hear from anyone who believes they are re-incarnated from her. I know this may sound less than scholarly and my work is drawn from actual evidence but I am open minded and thought this might be a good time to see if anyone can give me a fresh angle to start from. I promise I will treat anything you say with respect and hopefully you can post something that might give me a fresh look at the evidence
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking for me? Lol! Very Happy . But are you sure you want help from a source like that? If you're writing a serious or formal paper then you shouldn't consider this as a factual source. Still, if you want my input (yes, I do believe I was Ankhesenamun in a past life, hence the name, see? Razz), what kinds of things do you want to know, and what exactly is you're paper about (and I mean like thesis statement)?
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2004 11:34 am    Post subject: Ankhesenamun Reply with quote

As I say it is not exactly a scientific route to go down and you are right in saying that nothing you say can be used as evidence. Basically I have been studying Ankhesenamun for around four years now and feel I have become too fixed on my own personal take on the evidence. I assume that people who believe they are re-incarnated from her would have read up on her life and made their own conclusions from the evidence. My work mainly covers from the end of the reign of Tutankhamun to the beginning of the reign of Horemheb and looks at the part she played in the politics of that time. I am also looking to finally prove that she is the author of the amarna letters to the Hittite King as well as giving reasonable suggestions as to where she ended up. So basically anything you think happened around that time would be very useful
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2004 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alrighty then, I can give you some of my views on Ankhesenamun, but not all of it comes from anything that has to do with the "past life". Most of my views are theories concluded from the archeological evidence, although sometimes I feel more "connected" to a specific theory, as though it was what had really happened.

I believe that after the death of Tutankhamun, she made Ay co-regent. The ring they found bearing their names does not have to signify marrige, which by the way, the ring being synonymous with marrige is a purely western concept. And seeing as Ay is closest thing to family, or according to some varriations, the grandfather/uncle of Ankhesenamun, which in that case makes him imediate family, she would trust him most out of all the other members of the court.

However, posssibly an event made her distrust everyone in her court including Ay, if she indeed wrote the Amarna letters. There is strong evidence supporting this because, not only did Akhenaten have a sucessor (thus providing no need for a foreign prince), the letters were signed Dahamazu(sp?), which in ancient egyptian would be Hemwet Nesew-Kings Wife. Nefertiti was know to sign documents using the name Neferneferure, or using a fuller title. So if Ankhesenamun wrote to Egypts enemy the Hitites for help then the cause must be some sort of conflict in the court. Maybe she found out that Ay murdered Tut? or Horemheb, Ay's chosen sucessor did? or they both were in on it. Or it could be conflit of interest and there was dissagreement on who should be so qualified to be the next pharaoh.

As for her "dissaperance", the theories are, she died or was murdered/ committed suicide, or ran away and lived in obscurity. Logic would tell me to lean toward suicide, or murder as most theological monarchial society rulers believe themselves to be ordaned by the gods, ruler until their dying day, and would not easily give up the rulership by leaving it. But this is where the whole "past life" thing slightly comes into my theory. Logically ,she would most likely died in one way or another, but I don't feel that she died violently or by a malicious intent. Suicide or euthanasia would be a more likely possibility in my eyes. Or, she did run away and live in obscurity. There are theories out there that connect her with a royal lady of Seti I's court, a women named Sitre-trans: Daughter of Ra. Maybe she stayed in the court but played a behind the shadows role? or retired to another palace.

Anyways, I don't want to be too specific, as that would cross the border of speculation, and possibly go into fiction. I hope some of my views are helpful in your research. It may not be reliable, but some of the directions I've taken the evidence may interest you.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:53 pm    Post subject: Queen Ankhesenamun Reply with quote

Here is my bare bones theory on Queen Ankhesenamun's fate.
First of all, horemheb was the mastermind behind tut's death. he obviously had the king's trust and had the oppurtunity to be alone with tut to carry out the murder. my theory is that aya was a pawn in horemheb's master plan. aya and horemheb planned the murder together. aya was too close and too old to kill tut himself so he had horemheb carry out the task. it would behoove horemheb to do this so he could remain the leader of the military. my theory is that Queen Ankhesenamun was urging tut to take control of his dynasty and to stop being a puppet for aya. this of course he would do eventually and maybe did try and this resulted in his death. aya took the throne and forced Queen Ankhesenamun to marry him and give him an heir. horemheb couldn't let that happen because he wanted that throne. he knew that his only way total power was to let aya take the throne since he would die soon anyway and then he would inherit the throne. Queen Ankhesenamun must have gotten pregnant from the rape of aya and either killed herself or was killed by horemheb to prevent her rightful heir from taking the throne and stealing any chance of horemheb becoming pharoah. in my opinion, she was poisoned by horemheb and it was made to look like a suicide so that no one would be suspicious of horemheb's dastardly deeds. that's my theory.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though, you do know about that recent CT scan showed that King Tut was NOT murdered right....? Kinda pokes a hole in your theory doesn't it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:22 am    Post subject: holes Reply with quote

no, in fact, it does not. thanks for the kind words though.
there is much that is not known for sure and i am sure you are aware that this whole situation has evolved many times since 1922. if you look at the big picture and think outside of the box, you might gain a little insight into the situation. or not, that's up to you.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We KNOW that Ankhsenpaaton was married to Tutankhaton.
We KNOW that Tutankhaton changed his name, along with the queen changing hers, to reflect the old god.
We KNOW that Tutankkhamen died at an early age.
We KNOW that the royal couple had no children that lived.
We KNOW that Aye became Pharaoh after Tutankhamen.
Anything more is pure speculation. It's all very romantic and thrilling guess-work. Do you have ANY proof, aka, of any of your theories? If so, I would like to read them. So far, everything you have posted is, as you say, fodder for an historical novel.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osiris II wrote:
So far, everything you have posted is, as you say, fodder for an historical novel.


My thought's exactly Osiris II, though I must admit that these imaginative theories are quite interesting. We may never find proof of what happened during that time, so what harm is it to draw our own fantastic conclusions if we won't ever find out who's right and who's wrong? Plus if enough people like your idea's you could probably make a few bucks turning it into the next best selling historical fiction novel. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:42 pm    Post subject: speculation Reply with quote

i offered a theory. i stated that it was a theory. my theory. let me state it again, i have a THEORY. that means that it is what i think might have happened based on what i have learned and my own deductive reasoning. i wrote it here because i enjoyed reading everyone else's theory and thought i would throw mine in the mix.
however, i see no reason to come on this board and STATE THE OBVIOUS in such an indignant way. i am fully aware that none of this can be proven and it is all speculation. that is why it is MY THEORY.
if it makes you feel better to condescend to me then go ahead, i'm more than happy to accomodate, just remember, fixed thinking and the need to be right are the kind of mentality that cause egypt to fall and humanity to suffer since the beginning of time.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: speculation Reply with quote

Thanks for the question.... I was wondering how they might have addressed this issue.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't realize I was stating the obvious with indignation, aka. Please feel free to post anything you think we might be interested. Personally, I do not think that "fixed thinking and the need to be right" was in my post at all. And to suggest that such thinking was the reason Egypt lost power and prestige in the world was because of such thinking borders on New Age philosophy and nothing more. Feel free to have any theory you THINK may be correct--but do not impose it on all of us. Thinking along the line of others does not make puppets with no ideas of our own, but 99.9% of the Egyptophiles.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you have proven my point once again. i will be happy to leave you with your posting and go my way. re-read your post with an objective viewpoint and you might see how you are sounding to another person. I didn't come on this board to fight, i simply came here to share my opinion. I never imposed my thinking on anyone, the fact that you think i did shows how egocentric your thinking is, which is precisely the reason that you see nothing indignant about your post.
As far as New Age Philosophy- why don't you show me another reason that humanity has suffered since the beginning of time if it isn't EGO. You may call that New Age. I call it eternal truth, it doesn't change, it will never change, regardless of what you or anyone else chooses to label it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for sharing these Eternal Truth toughts of yours...good-bye
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:49 am    Post subject: Ankhsenamon Sory Of Reply with quote

Go to Egypt...walk where she walked, go to the Egyptian Museum in
Cairo, find the pink granite sarcoughagus (sp) that was hers in another incarnation, put your hands on it and other items you are drawn to in Egypt, use psychometry, go to the museum in aswan and stand in front of the statue of the scribe and listen to the mesages you receive, ask him questions, listen in your innermost heart of hearts, (if you can hear
over the pounding of recognition that she had more than one life
in pharonic Egypt, the youngest of Nefertiti's daughters, and later on
as a wife of Ramses Two, greatest Pharoah ever. I have a flashback
to being at Abu Simbel grieving for Ramses II. I remember the
paintings on the wall at Amarna. I was married to General Aye and
I remember that his arm was twisted. In this lifetime I was again
married to General Aye. We still share many of the ancient beliefs.
Dare to take this journey in Egypt, Cairo, Saquarra, enter the pyramids,
on to Luxor and aswan, visit the temple of Seti One, Island of Isis,
Esna,Edfu and Kom Ombo, Take lots of pictures, examine them well
for phenomenon, touch Egypt and you touch the ancient truths. If
you have night visits or if you hear your name called, or if you have
vivid dreams, look, llisten, think, be open, you may find yourself.
Ankhsenamon
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