Ancient Egyptian Forum

Hatshepsut76 · Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject:

I think Cleopatra is an interesting character in the Egyptian history... people have always considered her a great seductress (this is also the opinion of Antonio Spinosa's book: "Cleopatra"), but some time ago an article on a foreign newspaper spoke about a different portrait of the Queen: according to the writer she was an alchemist and a scientist. So this is what I ask to me and to you: why Cleopatra has always been considered a seductress over the centuries, while the scientific aspect was no longer considered?

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anhk-of-life · Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:20 am Post subject:

yeah, there was two nefers. Nefertiti and Nefertari are two diffrent people. and there was more than one cleopatra. here's the Cleopatra we all know, her mother, Cleopatra, her sister, cleopatra, and so on.
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khafre · Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:48 am Post subject:

Nefertiti and Nefertari are two different people.

Nefertiti, was the consort of Akhenaten. Her name was changed to Neferfruaten Nefertiti, when she and her husband assumed ATENism.

On a research about the queen's parentage, her father was supposed [hypothesized]to be Ay. Ay's wife is Tiye. And Tiye, was a shortened form of Nefertari. [Tiye, was most likely Nefertiti's step-mother.]

Osiris II · Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject:

There are quite a few women in the Amarna period named "Tiye". The one most people think of when they hear the name was the wife of Amenhotep III, mother of Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten).
Nefertiti was not a consort of Akhenaten, but his "Great Wife, first queen of Pharaoh".

khafre · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:52 am Post subject:

^ahh..ok

i thought consort was a synonym of wife..so thats what i said..
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Osiris II · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject:

Consort
One who shares the lot of another; a companion; a partner; especially, a wife or husband.
Wife
The lawful consort of a man; a woman who is united to a man in wedlock; a woman who has a husband; a married woman; -- correlative of husband.

A Pharaoh could have as many consorts as he liked, but only one Great Wife.

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Osiris II · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject:

Where did you get such information?
The idea of "brotherly love" between Ramses and Nefertari is unreal, at best. They did have several children.

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Osiris II · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject:

Your personal beliefs are just that--personal belief. You cannot base any conclusions concerning facts known about ancient Egypt on those personal beliefs.
I'm sure, from reading your postings, that you firmly believe in reincarnation. I just as firmly do not, but prefer to educate myself and accept proven facts. If you can show me any proof of your belief, I will be glad to change my point of view.

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Kiya · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject:

Originally posted by Osiris II

Nefertari. · Servant Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 6 Location: canada

Hmm...I would have to go with Nefertari. I believe she was more liked, and had more of an impact on Egypt. Nefertiti on the other hand wasn't as well liked. Wasn't it her mummy that was found all beaten and bruised...post mortem?

Osiris II · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject:

Nefertiti's mummy has never been positively identified, although Joanne Fletcher believe it is one of those found in Amenhotep II's tomb.

Nefertari. · Servant Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 6 Location: canada

Alright, thanks for clearing that up for me ^^