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Smenkhkare
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:58 am    Post subject: tuts murder Reply with quote

ive read wat all of u think about tuts murder, it was very interesting but havent u forgot sumthing vital........Smenkhkare, tuts brother heir to the throne before Tut. Question now let me explain my theory............Ay and Haremheb decide to take the throne by killing tuts dad Akaten so they kill him. but he has heirs to the throne so they kill Smenkhkare after that tut comes to the throne,the last in the line. so Ay uses his influential powers to strengthen his claim to the throne, so Ay and haremheb kill tut well he sleeps. now this is the part where Ay and Haremheb clash. but sly Ay marries tuts wife so he can rule, and because tut has no brothers (because Ay and haremheb killed him); no one can stop Ay, no oppisition. Haremheb does not come to blows with Ay because he knows that Ay will die very soon, so he waits. and then when Ay dies he takes the throne and no one argues with him because theres no Royal family left and he is the leader of the army. but to cover suspition he wipes out their entire line on the list of Pharaohs.
so wat do u think???? if u got a bit confused just post a message for me, ok. and ill explain.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting theory, but we are not even sure that Smenkaure WAS Tutankhamun's brother. Many believe this person was actually the Wife of Akhenaten, Nefertiti.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a really good theory! I like it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that is a good theory!!!!!! i like it a lot. but there is also that little thing that neferitit is the same person. but i dunno i like yours. good job!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like your theory. Something about the Nefertiti and Smenkhkare being the same just didn't compute. What was Nefertiti's motive? I like your theory about the Horemheb and Aye clashing and stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:59 am    Post subject: smenkhkare Reply with quote

wat about Kia?? remember she went missing because she got to close to Akhaten (by the way i spell it like that for short). Nefertiti did NOT like her one bit, as 4 nefertiti being Smenkhkare, i personally dont think so, there is no true record. remember anakansamun wrote to the Hititiet (cant spell it! OOPS) King explaning about Tuts murder, she does mention Ay, (i think?) again i think there is plenty of evidence why Ay and Haremheb killed off the Royal line to avoid civil war, before they took the throne. it all makes perfect sense. it answers almost all the questions Exclamation Ay was always behind tut pulling the strings, sumthing he could never do with Akhaten but haremheb was always there waiting for when the time was right, waiting for when there was no one to stop him, no civil war Twisted Evil
anyways, wat bout u lot, how old r u?? im only 15.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutakamun deid when he was about 18, he probally wasn't murdered, but died from an infection in a broken leg! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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tutakamun deid when he was about 18, he probally wasn't murdered, but died from an infection in a broken leg!


That's correct. I used to be a proponent of the "Tut assassination" theory but the CT scans taken back in January have more or less ruled that out. Of course the boy-king may have been poisoned, but there's absolutely no evidence for that, so I personally discount it.

The most recent issue of National Geographic has some fantastic photos of the CT scans, and in them you can clearly see the fractures Tut suffered to his legs shortly before death; also evident is the patella (knee-cap bone) missing from the boy-king's left leg (this was actually found nestled in one of his hands when he was originally unwrapped). It seems clear Tut suffered massive injuries to his legs. The fractures themselves would not have been fatal, but the onset of gangrenous infections certainly could have been.

As detailed as the CT scans are, even they are not enough to tell us with certainty how Tutankhamun Nebkheperure perished. Most likely it was some sort of accident, such as with a chariot, but there is no evidence of murder.

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remember anakansamun wrote to the Hititiet (cant spell it! OOPS) King explaning about Tuts murder, she does mention Ay, (i think?)


For one thing we cannot even be certain that the author of the letter is Ankhesenamun; there is no name attached to it. But I'm like you (and many other people, including historians and Egyptologists) and believe it was indeed Tut's widow. The royal lady who wrote the letter never mentions "murder" or "assassination." The wording in the relevant portion of the letter is (and for this I must thank Osiris II for digging up the quote in an old forum elsewhere):

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He who was my husband has died. A son I have not! Never shall I take a servant of mine and make him my husband!


Ay is never mentioned, nor is any other royal or courtier to help us put the pieces together. By "servant" the royal lady is not necessarily referring to a lowly household official but a "servant" of the government, and indeed it most probably is Ay. Ankhesenamun disappears from history soon after Ay takes the throne; most likely Ay succeeded in marrying her, thereby adding legitimacy to his accension, and thereafter she served no purpose.

Smenkhare is another matter. He may have been Tut's brother, some believe him to have been Akhenaten's brother, and others believe him to have been actually Nefertiti. In other words, we as yet have no solid idea of who this person was. There is evidence of his marrying a daughter of Akhenaten, and indeed some believe Smenkhare to be the father of Tut. A lot remains to be learned about Smenkhare before anyone can make conclusive judgements.

I will wholly agree with you that Ay and Horemheb were two very powerful and ambitious men. Their long military careers probably instilled these qualities in them, not to mention their taste for power. I for one, however, now have to agree with the evidence, and no longer believe them to have been culpable in Tut's death.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:05 am    Post subject: Ay and Horemhab Reply with quote

I'm guessing Ay was alot older than Horemhab,right?

I think they might have been planning something,but the accident happened before they could carry it out.

(Pictures Horemhab looking really relieved."Ok,now all I got to do is marry someone with blood and I'm home free.")
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(Pictures Horemhab looking really relieved."Ok,now all I got to do is marry someone with blood and I'm home free.")


I don't think anyone precisely knows how old Ay was, but, yes, he was a very old man by the time he took the throne. That's why he lasted only about four years as pharaoh before he croaked. Of course, this was a time when people were lucky to see 40 years of life.

Horemheb did indeed marry someone of royal blood...well, most likely. His first wife, Amenia, probably died during the reign of Ay and was buried in his spectacular tomb in Saqqara, which Horemheb probably started building while he was general and regent under Tutankhamun. He then married Mutnodjmet, who was likely a sister of Nefertiti--so there's Horemheb's royal connection. Upon her death Mutnodjmet also was buried in the Saqqara tomb of Horemheb. It wasn't until the 19th Dynasty that the Valley of the Queens was established as a burial place for royal women and children.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well king tut was killed by one of his guard because he was jeolous I think but i'm not sure I have study that for 8th grade next year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:01 pm    Post subject: His murder Reply with quote

Coolgirl,

Hi.I'm just entering high school this fall.Nice to see someone else that's a teenager.


You know I don't think we'll ever know for sure if Tut was murdered.And it's been 3,000 years. It doesn't matter anymore. What's that saying. "A man is born a king,the king rules for a long time and people remember him.Then he is forgotten into the the dust.Then the sun rises and another king rules."Essceliates I think.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey People! wrote:
King tut died in 1343 BC if that helps. Also, Howard Carter discovered his tomb in 1922 with his patron Lord Carnarvon.
King tut died of a broken leg just days before if death occuried. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a little odd when it comes to my theory on how Tutankhamun died. . . it's actually a bit of a mixture of many theories.

See, I belive Tut was murdered. I'm not totally convinced that he died of 'gangrene'. I mean. . it's possible, but the guy was the Pharaoh of Egypt. Wouldn't they have caught an infection LONG before it turned into gangrene? It just doesn't seem plausible.

Someone mentioned that a bone fragment was found in Tut's skull. That is true. My belief is that it was broken by the embalmers during mummification. . but it had been loosened before. A blow to the back of the head (rather from a fall or an actual blow), causes the brain to move forward, hitting the front of the skull, usually breaking small peices of the bone right above the eyes.

Tut suffered from Klippel-feil, which makes mobility extremely hard. He could have turned his head slightly, but to look behind him, he would have had to move his entire torso. Klippel-feil paitents also usually have scoliosis. Canes have been found in Tut's tomb, and many of them were clearly used. If you see most of his paintings. . .you'll most of the time see him with a walking stick of some sort.

My personal theory is this - Tutankhamun was struck in the back of the head by a murder attempt. I read somewhere that he lingered for a while after reciveing the blow. I think they estimated about 3 months (how they figure that, I dunno). That would have been a perfect time to hunt down a possible murderer. Yet, tramua to the brain is NOT an easy thing to get over. Even if he had lived, he probably would have suffered migranes, even more problems with his back, etc. . . I think he probably officially died from an anurism (can't spell xD). I'im pretty positive that once Tut went unconcious, he never woke up. They shaved his head, for one. Preists, doctors don't just shave the Pharaoh's head. He probably wasn't awake to give permission, and the doctors were desperate.

This, however, is just my opinion, and very few people agree with me. IT seems plauseable to me. . .but I love reading others theories Very Happy
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