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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:07 am    Post subject: Guess what!? Reply with quote

my teacher got a real necklace from ancient egypt! that was layed on a mummy!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just wondering how she obtained something like that, i mean wouldnt one expect something of the much value to be placed in a museum in a city somewhere? So i was just wondering if you could give some details as to how and why she has that necklace.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't Egypt has some sort of Antiquities law against exporting artifacts out of the country? How would one get such a thing without being hunted down by possibly every world government allied with Egypt?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Europe at least you can buy antiquities from licensed dealers. In London there are dozens of shops selling Ushabti, beads, pottery and statues. Here you can buy a Ushabti in perfect condition for as little as 60 (sorry - don't know dollars). Maybe your teacher bought it from a licensed dealer, or even lied about it! When I was in Egypt there were hundreds of people trying to sell "antiquities" but rarely were they real. Those who didn't know much about Egypt were paying a lot of money for modern fragments of painting, statues etc. They were almost all fakes though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ew. I read once that when people want to sell fake Shabtis, to mkake them look old, they feed it to a goose and by the time it has passed through the goose, it looks thousands of years old! Gross!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes we saw those fake ones everywhere out there. I heard they passed them through the intestines of dead birds killed for food though. It is still rather disgusting though! The Egyptians will try anything to sell things! lol.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fake industry in Egypt is a big business! The one that comes to mind immediately is the statue of Tetisheri. I'm sure we've all seen it. It has been on display in a museum for years--I think since the '20's. It's just been declared a fake.
All sorts of practises are used in making fakes. Pieces of old stone are used to create busts and small statues--using old stone gives the impression of true age. At one time, around the turn of the century when "mummy dust" was used as a medical agent, even newly dead corpses were aged, to make them appear to be old mummies, and then sold.
Oh, and by the way, PharoahKel is right--new scarabs were fed to LIVE geese. They would not pass through a dead bird.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scarabs could not be passed through an elasticated tube, like the intestines? I think that they possibly could be. Not through an actual dead bird! I am not that stupid! lol
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that you mean. It was copy from real egypt. So Egypt made copy any for necklace. I have one blue stone mummy it was made in egypt mean COPY from real egypt...

I use necklace Eye of Ra...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and I have a silver ankh necklace and a Bastet pen. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, Si-Amun, but it would have to be a live bird. Even removing the intestine from a dead bird a stone would not be subjected to the digestion liquids--there would be none secreted. Besides, the smell would become rank very fast! Ever smelled the intestines of a recently killed bird? Multiply that by the number of days the intestine has been removed, and you come up with a very smelly, rotten tube.
The purpose of feeding it to a live bird is to subject it to the digestive juices, which make it seem old.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry but I haven't ever smelt the intestines of a dead bird. I live in London and the closest farm is about half an hour away. lol. I thought the idea was to "age" the artifacts with the faeces of dead birds, that is what I was told by a guide when in Khan el Khalili but he may have been mistaken. I just thought it would be nearly impossible to feed sizeable statues to such small birds.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad Ewww....No matter if the bird is dead or alive that is really gross. I would never buy anything that was made that way. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The passing through a bird only applies to small items, such as scarabs or beads for necklaces, Si-Amun.
Larger items, such as small statues, I understand are just buried in the ground, with a layer of dung on the statue before it is covered up. It's watered frequently, then allowed to dry out. When it is dug up--voila! An ancient statue!
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