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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:46 am    Post subject: Scholar's Reply with quote

http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm

Since we argue so much about what is truth here biblically speaking and in doing so in reference to Ancient Egypt I knew the truth had to lie somewhere. Give this a good read as it lead's from one and into the other like a free flow; including the topic of the Exodus.
Hope you enjoy the sharing and the caring.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is extremely interesting, it provided a liot of information which I did not know about before, for example I never really knew why the Hyksos had settled in Egypt. If the article is correct then it is a pretty big turn around for Jewish history, having their ancestors as the oppressors of the poor Egyptians, who also happened to have a flair for cruelty and a plethora of Gods.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:36 am    Post subject: = Reply with quote

All men are created equal in the eye's of God, God's and Goddess's this is truth of the Bible. Sort of remind's me of slavery of the black's during our time's....it is never right not to Love one another. Ever think about the time's we live in and why there is still so much war? Think maybe the heaven's are storming as well?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry to bud in, but could anyone happen to give a speculative time table of when the Hyksos entered Egypt, and if the Pharoah of the Exodus was one of the Hyksos.

Also, I have not read Exodus in a while, but is the king that "did not know" the Israelites rise to power right after Joseph or were there several hundred years in between those accounts?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hyksos entered Egypt around the late 18th, early 19th Dynasty, I believe. I don't remember the approximate dates, but a quick google search should straighten that out for you.

As far as the Isrealites Joseph thing, I'm afraid I'm not very versed in biblical texts, so I guess someone who would know more than the nothing I do of the subject should fill in!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hyksos did not stage an invasion, but came into Egypt first as or tribes of Canaanite peoples, fleeing their own country and establishing themselves in the fertile Delta region in the late 17th Dynasty. Slowly, they took over power from the Egyptians, establishing their own rule, more or less in the Delta region. In the early 18th Dynasty, the Taos family, established in Thebes, united the country and drove the "hated Hyksos" from Egypt, establishing the 18th Dynasty.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, dang. All this time I thought it was an invasion fought off by Ramses II... I really need to get my facts 100% before I give 'advice'!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always thought the EXODUS happened before Rameses II remember there was a 40
year spand, between when Moses left for Midian and came back to Egypt.
Consideringthe short life expectancy, there could have have been a whole load of pharaohs between
that time. The one who was during the 10 plagues, is probably a relatively unknown
pharaoh. I could see the people in Ancient Egypt, being quit upset with the distruction
that he brought down on his country, so he was probably written off as a heredic. Since
from the bible we know he drowned, there'd be no evidence of the body (unless they still
decided to take it out and mummify it).

By the way why do the always link the EXODUS pharaoh (during the 10 plagues) as being
Rameses II? what proof shows it was him? I mean he lived so long, that I would think he'd
be the least likely candidate for being the pharaoh during that time?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My best guess would be that it's just linking big with big. Ramses II was a great pharaoh, and apparently the Exodus was an important event. Apples to apples.

Personally, I don't know. I really don't have that big of an interest in the Exodus; it's almost as overdramatized as Tutankhaten.. All I can care to do is shoot my mouth of on the subject. Wink
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