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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Psusennes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:12 pm    Post subject: Psusennes says: Reply with quote

I am new to the posting list, and I too can read some hieroglyphs, but there is nowhere (it seems) on the face of this planet where you can be taught them! All the people who I speak to are self-taught or go to University- I use Collier's and Manley's books- they seem quite good.

How did you guys teach yourself? Can you cope with all the complicated bits that you need to know in order to read more complex stelae and stuff?

P.S how do I add a picture to my name- Psusennes is a bit stupid without the cool silver mask of his.
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bel
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:14 pm    Post subject: reading Reply with quote

Here's alittle info for ya .
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Psusennes I
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:23 pm    Post subject: thank-you Reply with quote

Thanks a lot! That list should be useful to me. How are you on the hieroglyph front?

(P.S Psusennes I and Psusennes are the same person- long story)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:22 am    Post subject: Your welcome Reply with quote

Not real up on it. Spend my time studying so many other thing's! Want to tell your story?
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Psusennes I
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: my story Reply with quote

I have always been fascinated in the Egyptian sice I was about six or seven, I cast little figurines out of clay- and had all the kids books on it.

I lost interset for a couple of years- but now the interset has once more returned, and as I study ancient Greek and Latin I thought hey- why not give hieroglyphs a try! Very Happy

I can now read a large repertoire of names and know some of the formulae that are used in various inscriptions (the offering formula, the opening of the mouth formula etc.) However I am relatively unaware of how the words actually fit together and how the grammar works- so I am probably going to buy one of the books on that list- I have loads of vouchers.

Are you learning hieroglyphs, if not do you want to, and if you are learning them then which book are you using?

Also, you said you are busy studying other things- can you tell me about them?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A really great book is "Hieroglyphs Without the Mystery". I'm just getting into it, but it's really great and it's pretty easy to understand.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:14 pm    Post subject: magic ritual Reply with quote

I am also extremely interested in Egypt and it's people but for completely different reason's. I have no desire to learn to write in Ancient script nor in it's interpretation. I read a book recommended to me on this site titled OM Seti. It was about a women that claimed to be a reincarnate during Seti I's reign. It is a very interesting read. She also made God's out of stone. She lived her day's in Abydo's and worked there until her death. Servant she was.
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Psusennes I
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you elaborate on this person? I don't really understand what you mean? She claimed to be a reincarnation?

That seems kind of silly considering as far as I am aware the egyptians didn't believe in reincarnation- infact they spent millenia perfecting the art of preserving their bodies so that they didn't lose the only one they had!
(if you exclude their duplicate ka) Can you explain bel?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:19 am    Post subject: Incapsulate Reply with quote

It is my understanding that the Egyptian's mummified their bodies in order to preserve the soul and this is what traveled about amongst the dimension's while they worked in God's likeness. Thinking that the soul would astral travel. Yet it is actually the spirit that leave's the body and is a part of your soul and therefore an accumulation of your soul's work. It is a misconception that we only serve one lifetime. what would happen to all those people whom if they had only lived once had taken other's live's (chosen only evil thought's to invade their source of being)? We are giving as many chance's as it a take's to learn and move on. All searching for the simple truth that we are all born from perfect seed and the only thing we have are choice's and change as one day we will only answer for these thing's in which we served.
Oh and yes, Om Seit claimed not only to be a reincarnate but also to have nightly visit's from Seti himself.
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Psusennes I
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:16 pm    Post subject: I don't really understand? Reply with quote

This book sounds quite interesting! I thought that I would just tell you what I thought that the body in the afterlife was comprised of, now that we have gone of on a tangent:

An Egyptian's ka was thought to be created at the same time as they were born (sculpted by Khnum from clay and tears). The physical body was regarded as the future container for that ka. The ka would then arrive at the mummified body and use the it as a body in the afterlife. The ka was essentially the life force that could re-control that same body whilst it was still mummified- for eternity. (A bit like in 'The Matrix'- when the people can be in two places at once, both in the Matrix and in their ships).

As well as the ka (which was primarily for controlling and awakening the mummified body in the afterlife, as well as determining physical features) there was also the ba (the bird with a human head). The ba was simmilar to the ka, but the ba gave the person in the afterlife the same personality (an non-physical attributes) as they had in their first life.

The ba and ka needed to be able to recognise their body before they could join together with it and so this is another reason why good preservation of the body was so important. when the ba and ka finally did manage this herculean task they formed the Akh, which was the final combination of: a) the dead mummified corpse
b) the ka (physical)
c) the ba (personality)

I am quite confused now- I think I have it right, but I may be wrong. Tell me what you think. (Interesting isn't it!?)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I just read somewhere when I was looking for the 42 negative confessions was that the Egyptians did believe in reincarnation. But they did not want that. To them, reincarnation was a bad thing.

"The unperfected soul will be reborn again (reincarnated) in a new physical vehicle (body), in order to provide the soul an opportunity for further development on earth. This cycle of life/death/renewal continues until the soul is perfected, by fulfilling the 42 Negative Confessions, during his life on earth." - Egypt-tehuti-org
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Originally posted by Psusennes
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I am new to the posting list, and I too can read some hieroglyphs, but there is nowhere (it seems) on the face of this planet where you can be taught them! All the people who I speak to are self-taught or go to University- I use Collier's and Manley's books- they seem quite good.

How did you guys teach yourself? Can you cope with all the complicated bits that you need to know in order to read more complex stelae and stuff?



I have read 'Collier, Mark, and Bill Manley. How to Read Egyptian Hieroglyphs: A Step-By-Step Approach to Teach Yourself. ' and 'Betro, Maria Carmela. Hieroglyphs: The Writings of Ancient Egypt amongst many others. I borrowed a copy of ' Gardiner, Sir Alan. Egyptian Grammar: Being an Introduction to the Study of Hieroglyphs' from my library. Vergy good just a bit too long winded. Not concise enough.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know Gardeners book is considered the Bible for many who study hieroglyphs but it is not practical for me and could be a little intimidating for those wanting to learn.
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