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las vegas
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 5:31 am    Post subject: Help Solve A Mystery Reply with quote

I have a ring made of siver in the shape of a cartouche with egyptian symbols engraved on it that spell Tutankhamen. This ring was unearthed by my Mother abt. 1923 ia a tiny central Texas town. Would appreciate anyones opinion on where this ring may have come from and how in the world it would have ended up there. This has been a family mystery for many years and we just recently learned what the inscription means. Family lore says the ring carries a curse. Thanks in advance for any info.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were you I'd show it to an Egyptologist. Who knows, it might be original Ancient Egyptian. Egyptians often made rings with cartouches.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thin you might want to carry the ring to a museum to find out as much as you can about it it might be an ancient Egyption ring you never know
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the previous two posters in the matter. I wonder if it's authentic? That would be amazing! As to why it would be in Texas, I have absolutely NO idea that's plausible enough to post, except this one: Maybe someone visiting Egypt found it while exploring the Valley of the Kigns or somewhere near? Egypt is known for having very heavy rainstorms occasionally, maybe it was right after one of them and after so many years if finally became dislodged and some little child picked it up while travelling with his parents, returned to the USA, and buried it to dig up later as treasure? Yep, that's pretty far-fetched. Oh well, maybe it'll give someone else an idea Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyway, tell us if you've found out something. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excuse the image size...but for the serious people in this thread, and thank you to those who are paying an interest and would like to know more, here is the ring in question.



las vegas - nice job with the detail - was it taken with a digital camera?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... It looks quite new. Who's to say it's not real though? I'd definately get it checked out by one of the pros to see if it's real.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the ring supposed to have Tutankhamun's cartouche? Because I don't think the hieroglyphics on the photo spell Tutankhamun.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume the shape of the ring signifies the cartouche, but yes, it does indeed say Tutankhamun.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nefertikaure wrote:
Is the ring supposed to have Tutankhamun's cartouche? Because I don't think the hieroglyphics on the photo spell Tutankhamun.


Actually, it spells "Tutankhamun heka-iunu-sema".
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you getting the 'heka-iunu-sema' part from?

The three hieroglyphic signs at the top give you 'amun', the bird and bread loaves give you 'Tut' with the sign of life the 'ankh' to the right. The bottom row shows you the crook, which means Ruler, followed by the two signs for the land of Thebes.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that is definately the cartouche of Tutankhamen. Wait..... I thought the Egyptians didn't have silver! Wait... Maybe I'm wrong.... Sorry, I haven't had time to study lately, I guess I'm forgetting information!!!

Yes, the shape of the ring signifies the cartouche... as to it looking new, many ancient things really don't look that old (The bust of Nefertiti, for instance, as well as many things in Tutankhamen't tomb) And pictures don't show all the details.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"heka" = crook, also means ruler (just like in hekau-hasut, the Egyptian word for "hyksos", hich means "rulers of the wastelands" or something like that). Iunu was the name of Heliopolis, "shema" = south or Upper Egypt. So it means "ruler of Southern Heliopolis" Southern Heliopolis means Thebes. I found this pronunciation in Alberto Siliotti's "Valley of the Kings" and at many websites.
http://www.inetsonic.com/kate/tut/layers/b_256_b3.html

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I'm sure Egyptians did have silver. For example, Tutankhamun's throne (the one with the beautiful picture of Tut & Ankhesenamen) is partly decorated with silver (look at their clothes on the picture.)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohhhh Yeah! I remember now! Sorry to change the topic slightly, please go back to the previous discussion after this comment.... Did you ever notice that on Tutankhamun's gold throne the cartouche reads "Tutankhaten" = Living image of the aten? I always thought that that was strange, that the name was never changed or anything.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much MXX for posting the photo of the ring. The image is scanned.

When I found the translation of the symbols on the web, it read SON OF RA TUTANKHAMUN, RULER OF UPPER AND LOWER EGYPT.

I appreciate everyones response.

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