Ancient Egyptian Forum Forum Index Ancient Egyptian Forum

 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 


Need Information on King Tut's Murder?
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Ancient Egyptian Forum Forum Index -> Pharaohs
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
nefertikaure
Egyptian Architect


Joined: 15 Mar 2003
Posts: 172
Location: Canada...

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2003 8:02 pm    Post subject: Need Information on King Tut's Murder? Reply with quote

Hey everyone! I'm finally done a report on the assination of King Tut!! It includes reasons why each suspect might, or might not have killed this young pharaoh, and more. If you need information on Tut's murder, or just wish to read it, please leave a post here, or on a pm with your email address so I can email it to ya! Very Happy Very Happy I hope it helps!!
_________________
|\| e F e r t i |< a u r E
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Google
Sponsor





PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2003 8:02 pm    Post subject: Advertisement

Back to top
Akhenaten
Prince/Princess


Joined: 06 Jul 2002
Posts: 342
Location: Missouri

PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2003 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to read it. As you may have seen, I like this subject very much, and although I usually stick to my own original theory, I really like seeing what other people think. So I would like to read it. My e-mail is Akhenaten1255@hotmail.com
_________________
-Akhenaten-
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
egypt22
Egyptian Architect


Joined: 02 Dec 2002
Posts: 153
Location: Michigan

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2003 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey i would like to read it too. my email address is softballstar_amw@juno.com thanks i am looking forward to it
_________________
Ashley
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
RWCouck
Tomb Robber


Joined: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 4
Location: Detroit, MI

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 6:39 am    Post subject: Love to Read Reply with quote

I love reading anything that has to do with Egypt. Please send me an email at rwcouck81@hotmail.com
_________________
Life can be ended at any moment, so live everyday to the fullest and have no regrets!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
Ramses
Prince/Princess


Joined: 02 Sep 2003
Posts: 377

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you post it here for me, since I can't access my e-mail? Thanks!
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
Dark_Meryetamun_28
Gods/Goddesses


Joined: 22 Nov 2002
Posts: 1265
Location: In the throne of Nephthys

PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I for one favor the idea that Horemheb did it. Here's why:

Tut was just gaining power. He finally could rule without his regents, Aye and Horemheb. (Aye was the adviser, Horemheb the General) If you ask me, it was a strange time for Tut to commit suicide, just when he got real power. It goes against human nature. So that eliminates that theory. Aye was old. He was going to die soon, and he knew it. If Tut had children-even worse, sons- through Ankhsunamun, Aye could kiss his chance of being Pharoah good-bye. Horemheb was in a similar predicament. If Tut had children, that would push him waaaaay down the line to recieve the crown. He could kill Ankhsunamun, but Tut would just get another queen. So, he had a reason to kill Tut. All he would have to do is sit around and wait for Aye to die, because if he killed Aye, people would get really suspicious of him. Plus, Aye was old. It would have been a waste of effort. Now, for the Ankhsunamun theory...why would she want to kill her husband? She'd never get the throne, and she knew it; if Tut was alive or not. Plus, she showed she didn't want Tut to die when, after his death, she wrote to Egypt's worst enemy (the Hittites) to ask them to send a prince to marry her. The letter was intercepted, and she was forced to marry Aye. So, I don't think she would kill Tut if she didn't want to marry Aye so much. The only plausible answer (besides an unknown person in history) is Aye and Horemheb. It's up to you if you think it was Aye, or Horemheb, or both.

Sorry this was so long. If I'm wrong, please correct me. I don't know everything.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
nefertikaure
Egyptian Architect


Joined: 15 Mar 2003
Posts: 172
Location: Canada...

PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 6:15 pm    Post subject: i'll just post it here, if that's ok Reply with quote

Here's me report/interview...(it's quite long) but here it is....


To see the real face of Tutankhamun, go to: http://dsc.discovery.com/anthology/unsolvedhistory/kingtut/face/face.html

Written by Jessica F.

1. What do you believe made King Tutankhamun significant in history?

Many people around the world know of King Tut because of his famous Golden Death mask, and his other amazing treasures. In 1922, Howard Carter knew that if there was one tomb that wasnít robbed, it had to be Tutís. This is very important because this tomb was the only tomb left untouched or robbed for 3000 years. But, there is something else that is amazing about this pharaoh, which very few people know aboutÖhis lifeÖand death. The mysteries that surround King Tut make him very significant. One of these mysteries is the one about his murder. Rarely do we find pharaohs that have been assassinated in the past, but this King was one of them. It is also unfortunate that he was murdered around the young age of nineteen. But the question is left unanswered. Who committed this crime? Once we further understand Tutís history, we will be able to unravel other mysteries, maybe about his father, Akhenaten, and the four suspects of his murder, Aye, Horemheb, Maya, and Ankhesenamun.

2. Who do you believe murdered King Tut and why?

*more information about the topics/evidence introduced here will be more thoroughly explained with detail and supporting evidence in questions 4-11*

Knowing the reasons why the four suspects might have murdered King Tut, the one that lingers with much evidence is, King Tutís Prime Minister, Aye. I do not believe Aye planned Tutís death alone, since I have suspicions about Horemheb. No doubt, they could have both been part of Tutís assassination.
After King Tutís death, Aye took the throne without hesitation, and ruled for four long years. Tutís wife, Ankhesenanum, disappeared sometime during Ayeís reign. Another question remainsÖdid Aye kill her? When his reign was over, another suspect became pharaohÖthe military commander and chief, Horemheb. Both Aye and Horemheb were very close to King Tut. Aye was almost like a father to Tut, and Horemheb had the honour of teaching Tut the ways of war. The pharaoh did not see suspicion, for they had his trust and respect.

3. What evidence was found in his tomb to suggest foul play in regards to his death?

When King Tutankhamun was found in 1922, an autopsy was immediately done on the mummy. Though Dr. Douglas Derry ruined the corpse after trying to remove the linen from the mummy which was also glued to the bottom of his coffin, he found a round depression on Tutís left cheek. This suggests that the depression could have been from an arrow wound, or an insect bite which would have caused Sepsis. Many believed it was very unlikely, and felt the need to x-ray the corpse again. The wish was granted in 2001 to Dr. Todd Grey. While Grey was looking at the boyís head, he became puzzled by a lose chip of bone visible in the upper left side of the skull. He believes the bone could have been loosened during embalming, and then broken off by a bash to the head, or by a fall.
This is not the only discovery Grey made, for he also found that Tut had spinal deformities, which were Scoliosis, and Cliplefile(I believe that is how it is spelt) . This one called Cliplefile was one that disabled Tut from turning his head. More evidence rests in King Tutís tomb itself. While Howard Carter was searching though the tomb, he uncovered 130 walking sticks, all used, beginning from childhood. More evidence is found in painting where we see Tut balancing on a walking stick while his feet are twisted. Because of Tutís deformity, this would have given anyone the opportunity to murder him. The suspects could have also seen Tutís disabilities as an excuse to kill him, because in those times, they believed in killing the weak. Could this have been a motive for one of the suspects?

4. What evidence points to Aye, Tutís prime minister, as his killer?

Aye, Tutís prime minister, was the second most powerful man in Egypt. Besides being an Amun priest at Thebes, he was also the protector of the boy king. Though already a wealthy and dominant man, he would have had much to gain if the young pharaoh died.
When Akhenaten reigned, he chose to worship one supreme god over them all. Aye, Akhenatenís prime minister at the time, sided with the pharaoh. But, after the king passed into the afterlife, and his son, Tutankhamun took the throne and rejected his fatherís beliefs, Aye betrayed Akhenaten, and sided with Tut. Would he do the same after Tutís death? It is also known that, during the time of Akhenaten, many people, even priests, tried to assassinate him because of the new beliefs he introduced. Many believe Aye was one of these potential assassins.
Weeks after the murder of King Tut, a letter was sent to the Hittite leader, Egyptís worst enemy. It was sent by Ankhesenamun, Tutís wife. Egyptologists believe she was frightened and confused after her husbandís death. But this wasnít the only reason why she sent the letter. The letter cried to the Hittite leader, begging him to send a son to become her husband so that she would not have to marry a servant. Did Aye force Anhesenamun into marriage? Was Aye the man she mentioned in the letter with such dread? After Aye became the new pharaoh, the young lady disappeared from history. Yet, the question remainsÖDid Aye kill her, too? Did she know something about Aye that we do not?
In the beginning of King Tutís reign, he planned to be buried in a tomb near his grandfather. But, Aye was the one who took it for his life in the afterworld, and in the tomb was a paintingÖa hunting scene that was out of place. The last piece of evidence that Aye was the murderer; for the writing on the wall confessed to the gods that he had become pharaoh by an unlawful act.

5. What evidence is there that Aye isnít the killer?

Though it is most likely that Aye was the killer, some evidence to prove that he was not still prevails. Aye was the closest family to King Tut, and was also an Amun priest. This may also account for a reason why he might have murdered Tut, but some believe this was a sign of loyalty. Aye was also the second most powerful man in all of Egypt. Some would think he had enough authority, but, pharaoh was always a step higher than prime minister.

6. What evidence points to Maya, Tutís treasurer, as his killer?

Maya was the chief financer of Egypt, as well as Tutís treasurer, and was extremely wealthy. Part of his job was to plan out where the king would be buried. If he did murder King Tut, he wouldnít have profited from it.
Maya rescued Egyptís economy from the disaster caused by King Tutís father, Akhenaten. What if Maya thought Tut would threaten to undo all his work?

7. What evidence is there that Maya isnít the killer?

With all the many goods that were kept in Tutankhamunís tomb, one very important piece of evidence was found inscribed with a tender devotion to the kingÖfrom Maya. It seems that, when Tut was buried, his tomb was robbed. But, who was the man who lovingly restored it, and then carefully sealed the tomb again? None other than Maya. After having done this, he made sure no one would find the tomb by burning all the plans. After King Tutís death, Maya remained as Egyptís financer.

8. What evidence points to Horemheb, army general, as his killer?

Horemheb, being the head of the army, had many responsibilities. One of these was to train King Tut so that he would be prepared for the day he would lead troops into war. Since Tut had taken the throne at an early age, the Hittites, Egyptís worst enemy, must have thought this to be the best time to invade Egypt. Horemheb saw this threat ahead of time, and wondered if it was smart to leave a boy in charge of the military. Because of the belief that Horemheb was obsessed with law and order, he wouldíve done anything to save his country. This is the major reason why the general could have attempted to kill the pharaoh.
While investigating the mummy of Tutankhamun, experts have noticed that the body had been damp while being wrapped, and that the course was decomposing before the mummification process had begun. This is very unusual because the embalmers would never allow a body to decompose, for it would smell, and it would be difficult to continue with the mummification. Though the king was able to be mummified, about two buckets of ankhwin (scented resins) were poured over the mummy. This probably tells us that they were trying to hide the smell of a decomposing body. But why would the body be allowed to decay in the first place? It was a tradition in Ancient Egypt for a pharaoh to have his/her chariot(s). They would use it to hunt, race, or to just catch the desert sand. Could Tut have died from a chariot accident far from home? This theory would also back up his decomposing body. Because of the hot desert sun, it would not take long for a motionless body to start decaying, and also, the flies would settle on the corpse as well. But, maybe King Tut was not alone. Maybe Horemheb invited Tut on a private ride through the desertÖa perfect murder. He had every opportunity, and a motive. He knew of Tutís disabilities, making his job - his murder Ė easier. Because of the Cliplefile, one blow to the head would have caused serious, even deadly damage.
Though, Horemheb did not receive throne after Tutís death, but after Ayeís reign, he did. At the moment he ruled as pharaoh, he erased every trace of Aye, and also let him get away with murder. This could prove that Horemheb and Aye were partners in crime.


9. What evidence is there that Horemheb isnít the killer?

Horemheb was the commander and chief of the military and because of this, one would think that a man is this area would be loyal to the king. As we know, Horemheb was accountable for teaching King Tut the ways of war, and he knew that Tut had disabilities not enabling him to do many physical things. Horemheb might have had sympathy for the king, considering he was only a child. He was also close to Tut, which gave the king a chance to trust and respect his trainer.

10. What evidence points to Ankhesenamun, Tutís wife, as his killer?

King Tutankhamun admired his lovely Ankhesenamun. They were wed at the age of nine, when Tut became pharaoh. Not only was she Tutís wife and half-sister, but also his most closest and best friend. Both were born into the same disastrous life caused by their father, Akhenaten, but they managed to almost entirely escape the nightmareÖtogether. From the day they had left for Thebes after Tut took the throne, they must have clung to each other like a pair of lost, confused souls. Why would Ankhesenamun have murdered her only friend, her brother, her husband?
Back in the tomb of Tutankhamun in 1927, two mummified fetuses were found near Tutís coffin. One was four months premature, and the other stillborn. In 1932, Douglas Derry autopsied them, finding remarkable discoveries. One of the fetuses had Spina Bifida, and Scoliosis, proving that they belonged to Tut, and proving that he and Ankhesenamun were trying to start a family. Did she blame Tut for the miscarriages?
Throughout Ancient Egyptian history, there had been powerful female pharaohs. Maybe Ankhesenamun wished to take the throne so she would be able to get another husband, or maybe she desired it because of her desperation.

11. What evidence is there that Ankhesenamun isnít the killer?

Ankhesenamun was King Tutankhamunís beloved wife and they both cared for each other more than life itself. Paintings and carvings give Egyptologist Zahi Wahass the impression and evidence to prove this true. He explains that the touch (shown in the picture of Tutankhamun and his wife, Ankhesenamun) is a sign of love, and that very rarely would you see this kind of bond elsewhere.
The letter that was found in Turkey, written by Ankhesenamun, is another piece of evidence that Tutís wife couldnít have killed him. In the letter, it seems she is frightened and confused of her husbandís death. She does not want to receive the throne, and have Aye as her new husband. Maybe she knew something that we do not. But, we do know that after Aye became pharaoh, Ankhesenamun disappeared forever. Evidence could lead us to believe that Aye killed her, though, we may never know for sure.


Hope this was helpful to all of you... Very Happy

p.s I wrote about 8 months ago, so some of my ideas MAY have changed, but this is still good info
_________________
|\| e F e r t i |< a u r E
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Meritaton
Prince/Princess


Joined: 30 May 2003
Posts: 345
Location: Miskolc, Hungary

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think it wasn't Ay. Moreover, although this report says that Ay is most likely to be the murderer, it suggests the opposite when in the "What evidence is there that Horemheb isnít the killer?" part it can't bring up any evidence than "one would think that a man is this area would be loyal to the king", which is more like a personal opinion than a real evidence.
As for Maya and Ankhesenamun, I think nobody has ever thought that they could be the murderers, it was only the Discovery Channel's newest idea to gain some attention.

BTW it's a good report but should be based on more things than Discovery documentaries.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Akhenaten
Prince/Princess


Joined: 06 Jul 2002
Posts: 342
Location: Missouri

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your report is very good, and well-thought-out. Even though some points are based on personal opinion, you have a very good argument. Thanks for sharing Smile
_________________
-Akhenaten-
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
l8erl8er
Guest





PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how was is childhood Embarassed
Back to top
l8erl8er
Guest





PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked was it bad Twisted Evil how did he die Rolling Eyes im so confused
Back to top
nothere
Guest





PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how was he murdered Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Shocked
Back to top
l8erl8er
Guest





PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:42 pm    Post subject: :lol: Reply with quote

Laughing as soon as im done with my report on king tut in general i would love to share it with you if you want to hear it Embarassed Razz
Back to top
Neb-Ma'at-Re
Pharaoh


Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Posts: 690

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just make sure you don't post it.

http://www.kingtutone.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=454
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
zaraj
Guest





PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:37 am    Post subject: tut's death Reply with quote

Hi am I doing a report on King tut and I would like some other peoples ideas and their opinions


Thanks :D Zara :D
Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Ancient Egyptian Forum Forum Index -> Pharaohs All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Page 1 of 7

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

Anti Bot Question MOD - phpBB MOD against Spam Bots
Blocked registrations / posts: 10373 / 0