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Another Smenkhare or make notes at the time pt 2

 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject: Another Smenkhare or make notes at the time pt 2 Reply with quote

As far as I remember I was in the main/front hall of the Egyptiam museum at very nearly the time our bus was leaving when I saw a large statue of Smenkhare- but this was not the Amarna pharoh - I think he was middle Kingdom . Did I realy see him or is my mind playing tricks. I treid looking on the web but if there are any references they are swamped by the Amarna one.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were at least 2 pharaohs in the 13th dynasty called Smenkhare (sometimes written Semenkare)

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1750 - 1748; 1785-1783 (Ryholt); c.1738/39 (Krauss, Franke)
Nebnun ( Semenkare )
* smn-kA-ra (Tur.6.11)
* nb-nwn

Throne name of this ruler smn-kA-ra known of Turin Canon meant Ka is the strengthened power of Re. In faience stela of temple of Gebel Zeit discovered in 1984 is disclosed birth name Nebnwn [My] Lord is Nun, which indicates that this ruler used galenite mines in Eastern Mountains.


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1712 - 1710; 1759-? (Ryholt); c.1711 (Krauss, Franke)
Imiramesha (Mermesha)
* smnx-kA-ra , [smnx-kA]-ra (Tur.6.21)
* imi-rA-mSaw

smnx-kA-ra Semenkhkare
imi-rA-mSaw Imiramesha (Commander Of The Army ; General)
J. von Beckerath suggests that name of the ruler which meant Commander of the army was primarily a title adequate to his function and became his name at the moment of his taking the rule. To the king are devoted to colossal sitting statues of Tanis (placed primarily at Memphis) and usurped later by Apopis. He ruled presumably for 2-3 years.


I wonder if it's the statues from TAnis you may have seen?

This info comes from:
http://www.narmer.pl/indexen.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info.
I wonder if anyone has seen one of these Smenhares in a cartouche & said 'I have found evidence of the Amarna pharoh'?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Amarna king usually went by the name Ankhkheperure and the art style should be rather radically different.

And it seems that the glyphs are somewhat different as well:

The 13th dynasty Smenkhare


The 18th dynasty Smenkhare Djeserkheperu
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree about the art style but I was thinking about the 'I'm not an Egyptologist but I'm going to publish a book proving X murdered king Tut' people.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tnrees wrote:
... the 'I'm not an Egyptologist but I'm going to publish a book proving X murdered king Tut' people.


LOL That made me laugh. Great description.

You may be right. It could be something that would confuse these people.

It is interesting to read that the name Smenkhare was used by other individuals. It always seems a bit out of place in the line-up of Amenhoteps and Tuthmosises. Even Akhenaten started out as an Amenhotep.
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