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Oedipus and Arkhanaten

 
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brianstalin
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:13 pm    Post subject: Oedipus and Arkhanaten Reply with quote

I read a book last year about Arkhanaten being Oedipus. Queen Tiye would have been Arkhanaten's mother and wife. After Arkhanaten died or was exiled King Tut may have publicly humiliated his brother (Arkhanaten) and his mum (Queen Tiye) and this may have fuelled a plot to end Tut's life prematurely.
Can't recall the state of Queen Tiye's tomb etc. Can someone help on this?
Queen Tiye would have married Amenhotep III first and had 2 sons - Arkhanaten (Amenhotep IV) and Smenkhkare who were to become King Tut's elder half brothers. Confusing? Too right!
P.S. Yuya who was Tiye's dad was definitely Joseph of the technicolour dreamcoat fame, but that's another story.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Oedipus and Akhenaten Reply with quote

I don't buy it. The Tiye-Akhenaten Oedipal-complex rumor was started by archaeologists who didn't yet know how powerful Tiye was in her time, and who came from cultures where people didn't publicly show the physical affection that Akhenaten shows his family on the monuments. So they misunderstood the evidence they saw. The rumor is fueled by the fact that so many royal children exist in Akhenaten's time whose parents are not known -- for example, Tut, Smenkhkare and Baketaten. Some people assume that these are children of an incestuous union between Akhenaten and Tiye. But it's not known for sure, and one shouldn't jump to conclusions other than that Tiye was a powerful queen whom her son Akhenaten showed great respect and affection.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know anything aboput this relationship with the Oedipal complex...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:49 am    Post subject: Oedipus and Akhenaten Reply with quote

A book written about 30 years ago by a guy named Immanuel Velikovsky. I don't know if anyone takes it seriously.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read that book, and I kind of hated it. Razz

The last time anything Freudian looked at Amarna period Egypt, they came up with the "brilliant" theory that Akhenaten is Moses. Freud's theories are now barely applicable to actual psychology. Why should we trust his opinions on Egypt?

For those who don't know their Bible stories: Joseph brought himself and his eleven brothers into Egypt. We still need enough time for all of them to reproduce to a sizeable population before we can have a Moses figure entering the picture.

Seeing as how the Egyptians erased all traces of Akhenaten, it is unlikely that Sophocles (a Greek) would have heard about him and decided to write the Oedipus story about him. And, suppose we made a giant leap of faith and said that Akhenaten did screw his mother, that would still be the only actual similarity to the Oedipus story. Definately not enough parallels to form a good conspiracy theory.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone believe in reincarnation? It seems that historians see parallels in history and mix up timelines, so that we get things like Akhenaten was Moses etc.

My past life researches lead me to think that Nefertiti became Catherine the Great. Tsar Paul was Catherine's son.





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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiye was Akhenaten's mother. Many years after the death of her husband Amenhotep III, she is still mentioned as Queen and beloved of the King [which was already at that time Akhenaten]. It was only "suggested" [take note of that] that Akhenaten and Tiye acted as consorts until the time of their death [which was at that time "incest"].

Akhenaten is not Oedipus. But only rather the symbolic representation of the legendary King of Thebes, and Tiye for Jocasta.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if 2 people are king & queen they do not have to have a sexual relationship. In England a Mayoress was usualy the Mayors wife but increasingly it is a friend or relative who will fill in the ceremonial/social duties.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But such a relationship was not seen in ancient Egypt, where so much pressure was put on Pharoah and his quees (or queens) having children who might ascend the throne.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tnrees wrote:
Even if 2 people are king & queen they do not have to have a sexual relationship. In England a Mayoress was usualy the Mayors wife but increasingly it is a friend or relative who will fill in the ceremonial/social duties.


if they are indeed considered as the royal couple ruling egypt, they must of course have a sexual relationship to produce offspring.. If the Pharaoh dies for example leaving the queen no heir, the lady's life might be threatened. As the story of Ankhesenamun and Tutankhamun.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plenty of pharohs were suceeded by offspring of minor consorts
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tnrees wrote:
Plenty of pharohs were suceeded by offspring of minor consorts


well yes, but they hav still tried to produce their own offspring
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember reading this book years ago, when it first came out. I found it fascinating and it was one of the things that made me interested in Armarna history.

I do not believe it is true, however it does make some interesting points regarding various carvings etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khafre - what about if the major wife was forced on him by politics & he hated her but loved the minor consort.
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