Ancient Egyptian Forum

Kiya · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject:

Nefertari's children do not seem to have been as hardy as Iset's. I remember watching a film once, can't remember which one, which said that 'Evidence of absence is not absence of evidence'. Meaning just because we can't find evidence for marriages between Ramses' siblings doesn't mean it didn't happen. It makes sense for it to have happened but the evidence has been lost.

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Merytre-Hatshepsut · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject:

I have always wondered if some of the key players from the end of the dynasty included grand-children of Ramses.
I only know of 2 or 3 known grand-sons: there's Hori, son of Khaemwaset, who became Vizier. Seti-Merneptah, Son of Merneptah who may be the same as Seti II.

My thought was that if Ramses' grand-children survived into adulthood, then they may have found their way into government positions.

Amenmesse, who usurped the throne, and may be identical to Messuy, the Viceroy of Nubia is another candidate.

I think there's another Viceroy of Nubia during the reign of Siptah named Sety.

Bay, the advisor to Tawosret, had a full name which incorporated the name Ramses.

Sethnakht who started the 20th dynasty could easily be a grand-son.

This is all speculative of course. Very Happy

Kiya · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject:

One of his Grandchildren was supposed to be Tashat. Didn't she marry Merneptah's successor?

JOY! · Scribe Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 55

She could have. I don't know why but I guess I always assumed Merenptah just married Isetnofret III though of course he could have had other wives.
I recently was doing some looking up on some sons of Rameses II there was Meryre I son 11 of Nefertari, and then there is a Meryre II son number 18, is it possible this could have been a father and son? I'm not aware of too many people naming a son the same name as one who is older?
and there's something I've noticed with some of the son's names like Prehirwenemef, Amenhirwenemef, both sons of Nefertari, So I'm wondering if Mentuhirkopshef, Horhirwenemef,Astartehirwenemef could possibly be more sons of Nefertari and Rameses(later sons may be grand sons), just because of the similarities in the name(not much to go on but work with me here)

ok and we have Ramesses-meryamun, Rameses II 16th son by Nefertari named Meryatum, so could this be his son? or maybe Merymentu could be his son? (again because of the similarities in the name)
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JOY! · Scribe Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 55

(sorry for double posting here)

but, I was also looking at the list of Daughters of Rameses II. We know that Henuttawy, Nefertari II, and Meryetamun were all daughters of Nefertari. Then we have some names that are similar to these names, I would assume any name having Nefer would be some way related to Nefertari.

For instance these names have either Nefer in them or are similar to Meryetamun's name:

Meryetkhet
Neferure
Meryetnetjer
Renpetnefer
Meryetnetjer

I know some people except some of these Princess' to be daughters of Nefertari as well:

Beketmut
Nebettawy

as I wrote before, I'm really going based on the similarities in there names.
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tnrees · Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:44 am Post subject:

re: 2 sons with the same name - I have heard of children being given the same name as a dead child - how old was the first Meryre?

JOY! · Scribe Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 55

Kiya · Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:54 am Post subject:

Originlly posted by Merytre-Hatshepsut

Merytre-Hatshepsut · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:58 am Post subject:

Kiya · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject:

Originally posted by Merytre-Hatshepsut

Merytre-Hatshepsut · Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject:

Psusennes I · Pharaoh Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 913 Location: England

Your detailed knowledge of even the most obscure parts of Egyptology never ceases to amaze me. Well done Merytre-Hatshepsut!
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tnrees · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject:

2 more thoughts on explanations for 2 sons with the same name-
a) Someone told Ramesses he could not have 2 sons with the same name

b) If the Egyptians wrote vowels the names could be different

Merytre-Hatshepsut · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject:

I recently put up a page on my website with the known inscriptions dealing wirh Princess-Queen Bint-Anath.
Link to BintAnath page

The paintings on the page are done by me and are based on linedrawings made by Lepsius.

The photograph is made by someone I know in Egypt.

My Ramesses II page click here has a list of Queens, Princes and Princesses.
I based these lists on the work by K.A. Kitchen.

The paintings on that page are done by me, the photos mostly come from egyptarchive.

I have never seen the actual glyphs for Meryre I and II, but the name is rather simple. I suspect they are written the same way.

Very Happy

Given the lists of 50 known sons and 53 known daughters it's a surprise not more duplication occurs.
Must have been a chore after a while to come up with a new name Laughing

Kiya · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject:

Originaly posted by Merytre-Hatshepsut