Ancient Egyptian Forum Forum Index Ancient Egyptian Forum

 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 


Meaning of Cleopatra's name
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Ancient Egyptian Forum Forum Index -> Queens
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Hatshepsut76
Prince/Princess


Joined: 10 Apr 2005
Posts: 211
Location: Roma, Italy

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chiara, good research!!! I didn't know that the accent on the name was different! Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Google
Sponsor





PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:16 pm    Post subject: Advertisement

Back to top
Kiya
Prince/Princess


Joined: 25 Sep 2002
Posts: 442
Location: Derby

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Originally posted by queen Citlali

Quote:
I'm wondering, do any of you know what the name "Cleopatra" means?


I read that the name means 'Her father's Glory'.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger
Kiya
Prince/Princess


Joined: 25 Sep 2002
Posts: 442
Location: Derby

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always new what the name meant but it was good to have it broken down. Nods to Psusennes ISmile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger
cleopatraservant
Tomb Robber


Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psusennes I wrote:
Cleopatra's name is a transcription of a Macedonian Greek name. I have the advantage of studying both Greek and Egyptian, and can guess instantly what the first part of her name means. It is from the Greek word 'kleos,' meaning 'fame.'

To the Ancient Greeks 'kleos' was the ultimate goal of the true hero; they sought to be known by all for having defeated invincible warriors, slept with Gods and in general for being the greatest man/woman ever to have lived. 'Kleos' is fame, honour and glory. It was not always obtained in using just means however, there was usually an element of killing and adultery involved! Odysseus is of particular not here because he didn't seek 'kleos' through the above methods, but rather through his 'many wiles.' But that's another story.

Anyway. That gives us the first part of KLEO-patra's name. The second part is from the epithet 'patroklos,' meaning 'the one who has attained the fame of their predecessors', literally, their 'father-fame.' So Cleopatra is a hybrid of two phrases meaning 'fame/honour/glory' and 'the one having the fame/honour/glory of their predecessors.' That completes her Greek name. I'd be happy to deal with her Egyptian epithets later, if you so wish. 'Cleopatra' was only a short segment of her grand titulary of royal names, the rest of which are in the old royal language of Egyptian.

It doesn't really have as sensical a meaning as some of the Egyptian names do, but I hope my explanation answers your question.


Greetings

I am Alan, servant to present day Cleopatra Of The Nile model and entertanment goddess

I am creating a tablet for a business and would like to know

1. if in the inscriptions and walls of temples is the name starting with a K but in most references everyone spells it with a C ?

I found a photograph in Dendera on the wall with the cartouche that had Cleopatra on it and the cartouche on the wall created by an egyptian or egyptian workers is not like others you may find and when I went to read it with the translator the cartouche on the wall spelled nothing of Kleopatra backwards or the other way
The letters are mixed up and some are left out

I've watched the carl Sagan video

Then you have Cleopatra portrayed on greek coins not looking like an egyptian goddess
But on the walls in Egypt you got her as an egyptian goddess and known as the last egyptian pharoah

So which ones are the true Cleopatra that conquered?
Is it a twisting of someones character?
Was Champollion wrong?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Psusennes I
Pharaoh


Joined: 09 Sep 2004
Posts: 913
Location: England

PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's traditional to anglicise the greek Kappa (letter K) to C in English. Thus we have 'c's in Heracles, the Acropolis and most other greek words that originally had Ks.

I don't understand the other question.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
cleopatraservant
Tomb Robber


Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the question is which is the true ruler and pharoah of Egypt?

Was she the grecian or the Egyptian?

And are you saying that perhaps the Greeks or Romans made the inscription instead of the Egyptians when making the cartouche and painting??[img][/img]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Osiris II
Pharaoh


Joined: 13 Mar 2004
Posts: 914
Location: Long Beach, CA

PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was she the grecian or the Egyptian?
Neither--she was Macadonian, Child of Ptolemy.

And are you saying that perhaps the Greeks or Romans made the inscription instead of the Egyptians when making the cartouche and painting??
I assume you are talking about the Rosetta Stone. It was the creation of an Egyptian scribe (probably), inscribed on a stone by an Egyptian (probably again) worker, using three languages. Hieroglyph, Demotic (a form of ancient Egyptian) and Greek. (the official language of the Egyptian rulers) I know of no painting associated with the Rosetta Stone.

the question is which is the true ruler and pharoah of Egypt?
Cleopatra VII and her brother: Cleopatra alone: also her son with Caesar was eligible to become Pharaoh.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Kiya
Prince/Princess


Joined: 25 Sep 2002
Posts: 442
Location: Derby

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard both Greek, Macedonian and Macedonian-Greek to refer to the Ptolemies. By the standards of today she would be Egyptian as that was where she was born. She would have been Egyptian of Macedonian-greek decent. Just as i'm British of British-Jamican decent.
Of course that was not how they viewed things back that. Your bloodline was more important so I don't think there are any people who refer to Cleopatra as Egyptian.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger
Kiya
Prince/Princess


Joined: 25 Sep 2002
Posts: 442
Location: Derby

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having had another think about it, we don't know for certain who Cleopatra's mother was. Some believe she was Ptolemy's sister wife which would make her fully Greek/Macedonian but others have stated that her mother was in fact an Alexandrian concubine, which would make her half Egyptian after all.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger
anhk-of-life
Scribe


Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Posts: 75
Location: the palace of whoever...

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think cleopatra means "Father pride." Rolling Eyes
_________________
i am the anhk, and so i giveth of life.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Kiya
Prince/Princess


Joined: 25 Sep 2002
Posts: 442
Location: Derby

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes it means 'Her Father's Glory' which is pretty much the same thing. Her other names were 'Thea Philopator' which mean 'the Father-Loving Godess'.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger
anhk-of-life
Scribe


Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Posts: 75
Location: the palace of whoever...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, yeah. right.where's my brain? Embarassed
_________________
i am the anhk, and so i giveth of life.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Cleopatra_Isis
Servant


Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Posts: 9
Location: My Heart is lost, my mind is in Egypt, I'm stuck here in the U.S. of A.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra VII's father, Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos (Auletes), had her two sisters killed, both had abdicated (stole) the throne from him while he was making deals with the Romans. Cleopatra V Tryphaena stole the throne and after Auletes's supporters had Tryphaena killed, Berenice IV Epiphaneia took over thinking her father was dead, since that is what Tryphaena 'said'. So upon Auletes's arrival (possibly Cleopatra's too, it depends what you read) Berenice tried to give up the throne but he had her beheaded.

The whole point is, she probably added Philapator to get on his good side. It is also said that she was her father's favorite child and was the closest to him.

The Ptolemy dynasty is related to Alexander the Great by Ptolemy I Soter. From what I've read they were cousins of some sorts. That's the stroy I've read and have been told.

They don't really know what Cleopatra looked like since her mother's heritage is unknown. She may have been fair skinned and haired with blue or green eyes or dark skinned and haired with brown eyes...or a mixture.

Experts aren't really sure what is truth and what is fiction, since Octavian (Augustus Caesar) had her name trashed, which only made her more exotic and made her fame grow.

Hope that helped
_________________
History is nothing but a bunch of lies old men have agreed upon
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address MSN Messenger
tnrees
Prince/Princess


Joined: 09 Jul 2005
Posts: 497
Location: Taunton, UK

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If her mother was an Alexandrian concubine it still does not make her ethnically Egyptian as there were a lot of races in in Alexandria & I would imagine Alexandria was a good place to come to if you wanted to get rich by sleeping with rich men.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Kiya
Prince/Princess


Joined: 25 Sep 2002
Posts: 442
Location: Derby

PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Originally psted by Cleopatra_Isis

Quote:
Cleopatra V Tryphaena stole the throne and after Auletes's supporters had Tryphaena killed


Cleopatra V Tryphaena was actually the sister-wife of Auletes. I think your refering to the supposed older sister of Cleoptara-Berence, the so-called Cleopatra VI. It is now believed that this sister did in fact not exists and it was a mistake with the numbering of the many Cleopatra's and that she was in fact synonimous with her sister Cleopatra-Berenice who, as we know, did rebel.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Ancient Egyptian Forum Forum Index -> Queens All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

Anti Bot Question MOD - phpBB MOD against Spam Bots
Blocked registrations / posts: 10373 / 0