Ancient Egyptian Forum

Hatshepsut76 · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject:

Chiara, good research!!! I didn't know that the accent on the name was different! Wink

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Kiya · Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject:

Originally posted by queen Citlali

Kiya · Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:11 pm Post subject:

Always new what the name meant but it was good to have it broken down. Nods to Psusennes I Smile

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It's traditional to anglicise the greek Kappa (letter K) to C in English. Thus we have 'c's in Heracles, the Acropolis and most other greek words that originally had Ks.

I don't understand the other question.
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the question is which is the true ruler and pharoah of Egypt?

Was she the grecian or the Egyptian?

And are you saying that perhaps the Greeks or Romans made the inscription instead of the Egyptians when making the cartouche and painting??[img][/img]

Osiris II · Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject:

Was she the grecian or the Egyptian?
Neither--she was Macadonian, Child of Ptolemy.

And are you saying that perhaps the Greeks or Romans made the inscription instead of the Egyptians when making the cartouche and painting??
I assume you are talking about the Rosetta Stone. It was the creation of an Egyptian scribe (probably), inscribed on a stone by an Egyptian (probably again) worker, using three languages. Hieroglyph, Demotic (a form of ancient Egyptian) and Greek. (the official language of the Egyptian rulers) I know of no painting associated with the Rosetta Stone.

the question is which is the true ruler and pharoah of Egypt?
Cleopatra VII and her brother: Cleopatra alone: also her son with Caesar was eligible to become Pharaoh.

Kiya · Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:45 am Post subject:

I've heard both Greek, Macedonian and Macedonian-Greek to refer to the Ptolemies. By the standards of today she would be Egyptian as that was where she was born. She would have been Egyptian of Macedonian-greek decent. Just as i'm British of British-Jamican decent.
Of course that was not how they viewed things back that. Your bloodline was more important so I don't think there are any people who refer to Cleopatra as Egyptian.

Kiya · Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:04 am Post subject:

Having had another think about it, we don't know for certain who Cleopatra's mother was. Some believe she was Ptolemy's sister wife which would make her fully Greek/Macedonian but others have stated that her mother was in fact an Alexandrian concubine, which would make her half Egyptian after all.

anhk-of-life · Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:12 am Post subject:

i think cleopatra means "Father pride." Rolling Eyes

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Kiya · Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject:

yes it means 'Her Father's Glory' which is pretty much the same thing. Her other names were 'Thea Philopator' which mean 'the Father-Loving Godess'.

anhk-of-life · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:55 am Post subject:

oh, yeah. right.where's my brain? Embarassed

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Cleopatra_Isis · Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:37 am Post subject:

Cleopatra VII's father, Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos (Auletes), had her two sisters killed, both had abdicated (stole) the throne from him while he was making deals with the Romans. Cleopatra V Tryphaena stole the throne and after Auletes's supporters had Tryphaena killed, Berenice IV Epiphaneia took over thinking her father was dead, since that is what Tryphaena 'said'. So upon Auletes's arrival (possibly Cleopatra's too, it depends what you read) Berenice tried to give up the throne but he had her beheaded.

The whole point is, she probably added Philapator to get on his good side. It is also said that she was her father's favorite child and was the closest to him.

The Ptolemy dynasty is related to Alexander the Great by Ptolemy I Soter. From what I've read they were cousins of some sorts. That's the stroy I've read and have been told.

They don't really know what Cleopatra looked like since her mother's heritage is unknown. She may have been fair skinned and haired with blue or green eyes or dark skinned and haired with brown eyes...or a mixture.

Experts aren't really sure what is truth and what is fiction, since Octavian (Augustus Caesar) had her name trashed, which only made her more exotic and made her fame grow.

Hope that helped
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tnrees · Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:52 am Post subject:

If her mother was an Alexandrian concubine it still does not make her ethnically Egyptian as there were a lot of races in in Alexandria & I would imagine Alexandria was a good place to come to if you wanted to get rich by sleeping with rich men.

Kiya · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject:

Originally psted by Cleopatra_Isis