Ancient Egyptian Forum

kmt_sesh · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:09 am Post subject:

Well, in the ancient Mittanian dialect, "Kiya" means "bag filled with beans."

That's not true, of course. It's just my lame way of staying on topic. Very Happy

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Lostris · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:56 am Post subject:

XDDD Oh well, is this really on topic?
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the_tutness_is_here · Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:21 am Post subject:

Um....Thanks for the brave attempt to stay on topic, Kmt buddy!!! Laughing

You know, I read that Kiya had another child, besides Smenkhare and Tut. It is said that she was depicted with a daughter. Shocked

Though, I'm not really sure...anyone care to clear this up for the Tutness?

Rolling Eyes

Great, I'm speaking in 3rd person, now. Crying or Very sad

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Merytre-Hatshepsut · Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:23 am Post subject:

Osiris II · Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject:

As Merytre-Hapshepsut says, there is only documentation of one child for Kiya, a daughter.
I wouldn't take that as absolute proof, although it leans in that direction, that she had only the one child, though that is quite likely. If my memory is correct, thoughout Dynastic history, the royal sons are seldom mentioned. The main exception to this rule seems to have been Rameses II, who mentions several of his sons--by name--and his daughters, too in many inscriptions. In fact, he had a large tomb built--KV5, now being excavated by Kent Weeks--for many of his sons.

Kiya · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:49 am Post subject:

Originally posted by Lostris

Merytre-Hatshepsut · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:59 pm Post subject:

I always thought there was some question about who Tadukhipa was sent to marry?

Gilikhepa was sent to Amenhotep III very early in his reign (year 10).
Her niece Tadukhipa was sent when Tushratta (G's brother, T's father) came to the throne.
Some think this was towards the end of the reign of Amenhotep III.

I personally believe in a coregency between Amenhotep III and AKhenaten, and I think there was a fairly long one.
I think that when Tadukhipa was sent to Egypt there were effectively two rulers because father and sone were joint rulers.
And I personally think Tadukhpa may have first moved to Amenhotep's harem and later changed to Akhenaten's harem.

I should just add that the reason I think Amenhotep III and Akhenaten ruled together come down to this:
* Tiye's mummy (if it's her) is much to young if there was no coregency. She lived into Akhenaten's reign. possibly all the way to year 14. No coregency would mean that she was Queen for 40 years, Queen mother for 14 years and she did not marry Amenhotep as a baby. So she should have been at the very least in her early 60's. The mummy is a woman at least 10 years younger than that. If you assume a coregency of 10-12 years, the age of Tiye at death makes way more sense.
* There are some scenes in (I believe) Huya's tomb which may show Amenhotep visiting his son in Amarna.
* The Nubians revlted in year 12 of Akhenaten. Nubians usually revolted when a new ruler came to the throne.

I should add that the experts are divided about a coregency and the length (if it occurred).
But it seems to me that you should take the possiblity into account when coming up with timelines and scenarios:D

Lostris · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject:

Kiya · Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:30 pm Post subject:

Would love to see a whole round of serious DNA testing on all the egyptian mummies. Would clear up an awful lot:-) I for one would love to know who Tut's parents were instead of speculating. Of course it was me but I can't proove it:-) ha ha!

Kiya · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject:

lOriginally posted by kmt_sesh

Merytre-Hatshepsut · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject:

LOL kmt-sesh was just joking.

I had heard the same as you about Kiya meaning something like "jovial one". I had actually read it meant "little monkey"????
But indicating a nickname for a lively playful person. It does evoke this image of a playful sexy woman who may have captured the heart of the King.

I actually don't know what David Rohl wrote about her name. Can you elaborate?

chiaraal · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:08 pm Post subject:

A friend from another community told me that Kiya means "lioness"...

Kiya-ra Wink

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Kiya · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:36 am Post subject:

Any other ideas for what my name means? Wish I knew:-)

Osiris II · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject:

I read an interesting theory in one of Muname's books--that Kiya didn't change her name at all. Tadukhipa was just too difficult for the Egyptians to pronounce, so they called her Kiya. It seems af if it were the closest in sound to part of her name.
It was also an Egyptian phrase, meaning "jovial one". Little monkey is a pun on that. Egyptians were very found of puns--you can find examples in many of their writings.

Kiya · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:17 pm Post subject:

Good point;-)