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Tut and Akhenaten: Let's clear some things up...
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Clear it up: Is Akhenaten Tut's dad?!
Yes
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No
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Maybe
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So...?
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Who?!!
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Are you really THAT bored, Tutness? O_o
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I just joined this forum, so I looked through all your old posts. My opinion is that he was Tutankhamun's father, he did not have Marfan's or some similar disease, and the art was just art. I am writing probably the millionth fictional story ever written about the Amarna period, and that is what is currently in my writing. As to whether any of you are right...I think the only way to prove it all is to time-travel, but I doubt that's scientifically possible.
Just my opinion, I'm a fellow Amarna-lover, so I felt compelled to post that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point....Too bad we can't though...Sad....I think if we time-travelled though that would take some of the mystery and fun of it out of the whole thing completely...One thing I like to do is bounce ideas and theories off fellow Egypt 'freaks' (though I do not know fo many)....And if we knew...I wouldn't be able to do that any more....I always like to hear new opinions and ideas....

Merytre any reasons why you believe Akhenaten to be Tut's father and him not to have suffered Marfan's....? Very Happy (I ask just about everyone this...)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, after doing some years of reading...I don't know, really, I feel like the whole Amarna issue is never going to be concrete. Of course, in a fiction story, everything does have to be fairly concrete (at least in the story). That's just the way things are in my current story. But when it comes to the real thing, I'm not entirely sure what to believe now after being offered a gazillion theories to pick from. I guess I better shut up now; my brain hurts from the whole debate. Very Happy

And yeah, good point, time-traveling would kind of spoil the whole thing and also put the Egyptologists out of business.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could find something that would sort things out e.g a papyrus letter saying something like 'what are you talking about - my father was a ... and he told me that ...' or a cuneiform tablet informing a mesomopotamian king about the current situation in Egypt.s
Not likely but we can hope.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valid points, Merytre. That was what happened to me...I read so many books that I just didn't know what to think. At one point I was even wondering if my main man was GAY. He obviously wasn't, but I still wondered all the same....The whole Smenkhare issue...(The statuette with a 'man' on Akhenaten's knee and they are kissing.) But it is good you really don't have a definite side to stick up for. That gives you more freedom to look at new evidence without being biased towards your own personal theories. (like tons of scholars still do.) I, myself, believe what I believe about Akhenaten for certain reasons. I doubt anyone will ever be able to convince me otherwise. I try to open to new ideas though........

I really hope we don't find anything definite about Akhenaten. Besides the above mentioned point, I really do not think that the world would be ready for the Truth. What would the world say IF he was a Prohet of God? Religion.....All the religions would go insane. It would leave them questioning their beliefs. As for scholars...I think their minds would be blown. And sometimes, I really do think we are not to find anything definite on the man for a reason......The world wasn't ready for the truth when he was alive and they most definitely are not ready for it now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing....(I posted before reading all this....Now I have went back and read some if, so I have to open my big mouth agaaaaain.)

Kiya.....is only said to have been given credit for two births. A daughter, and then everyone credits her with Tut's birth....(Although there be proof....I cannot think of it, besides Akhenaten's tomb.)

I just started thinking of all th epossiblilties that could mean, but......my head is spinning because of it.... Shocked

That's all I wanted to say.....Two not three. TWO. (Kiya no birthy Smenkhare.......)
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Kiya appears to have had a daughter and she is credited as being Tut's mum for two reasons I think: Nefertiti was never portrayed with sons, although this isn't conclusive. I don't think Akhenaten/Amenhotep was ever portrayed with his father Amenhotep III anywhere. He seems to have always been portrayed with Tiye and their daughters. Another reason is that there are no other candidates apart from the strange theory that Tiye was Tut's mother by Akhenaten. Don't really subscribe to that one. The Kiya theory seems to make the most sense.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also a theory--that I, personally believe to be true--that Tut is the half-brother of Akhenaten, a child of AIII and one of his lesser wives or concubines. Tiye would have been past her childbaring stage.
This is shown to be more of an accepted theory if there was a co-rule between Akhenaten and his father.
It is quite accepted by most that Akhenaten was the second son of AIII and Tiye, and came to the throne after the death of his elder brother.
Not to be pictured with the Pharaoh was not that unusual, many who went on to be Pharaoh themselves and with no doubt to there paternity were not pictured as children.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Originally posted by Osiris II

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This is shown to be more of an accepted theory if there was a co-rule between Akhenaten and his father.


Yes there is that one as well althouth Tut would have had to have been born in the veryl ast years of Amenhotep's reign. Tut suceeded to the throne when he was nine, Akhenaten reigned for approx 17 years making a co regency of approx 8 years.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt if we'll ever know the absolutely correct geneology, unless a tablet or inscription is found that list grandfather, son, grandson etc.
But that's what makes the Amarna period so interesting. So[b] very[/b] much is theorized, suggested--unknown.
It's truly the Amarna Tar Pits! Once in, you slowly sink into the Vast Unkown...,
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akhenaten HAS to be Tut's dad, because well, i dont think that Tiye and amenhotep III could have ANOTHER baby, they were old. It's more resonsble to think tat akhenaten and Kiya were tut's parents. I man, because, we can cross out Nefertiti, because she only had girls. and, if amenhotep III had another son, he would have at least spoke of him. akhenaten really didnt speak of tut etheir, but, maybe tut was like a secret wepon, or something. lol. i just think that Akhenaten is his dad.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree to a certain degree. At the time of Tutankhamen's birth, Tiye would have been well past her child baring years.
But it is quite possible for AIII to have fathered another child. Many men of advanced years have produced children. The mother could have been one of his lesser wives, or a concubine.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Originally posted by ankh-of-life
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Akhenaten HAS to be Tut's dad, because well, i dont think that Tiye and amenhotep III could have ANOTHER baby, they were old. It's more resonsble to think tat akhenaten and Kiya were tut's parents. I man, because, we can cross out Nefertiti, because she only had girls. and, if amenhotep III had another son, he would have at least spoke of him. akhenaten really didnt speak of tut etheir, but, maybe tut was like a secret wepon, or something. lol. i just think that Akhenaten is his dad.


They did have Baketaten when Amenhotep and Tye were quite old although i'm not sure what her age was compared to Tut but I think it was close. Anyone know?

And even though we tend to cross out Nefertiti because we only saw her with girls, that doesn't mean she 'only' had girls. So we can't really say with any certainty that girls was all she had. We don't really see Amenhotep III speaking of his eldest son Prince Tuthmose, the royal women were prominant in his reign as well as Akhneaten's. This doesn't change the fact that we know Tuthmose and Akhenaten existed.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kiya wrote:
They did have Baketaten when Amenhotep and Tye were quite old although i'm not sure what her age was compared to Tut but I think it was close. Anyone know?

And even though we tend to cross out Nefertiti because we only saw her with girls, that doesn't mean she 'only' had girls. So we can't really say with any certainty that girls was all she had. We don't really see Amenhotep III speaking of his eldest son Prince Tuthmose, the royal women were prominant in his reign as well as Akhneaten's. This doesn't change the fact that we know Tuthmose and Akhenaten existed.


I thought that Beketaten was the second youngest daughter of Akhenaten? Eck, I dunno...

Well, here's the thing: With Akh's brother Thutmose IV, at least he had more attention than little Akh, considering Thutmose was the elder crown prince. All that was found of child-Akhenaten was a wine docket, I believe. At least they represented Thutmose as the king AND queen's son. If Tut were Nefertiti AND Akhenaten's son-depending whether or not you believe Smenkhare was also Akh's son-he could have had more depictions of himself. Also, just because we haven't found a depiction of Tut and Akhenaten yet-or Akh and Smenkhare too-doesn't mean we should rule out that it's a HUGE possibility, and it is! We just haven't found it yet, and if the time comes, well...there it is. Laughing

And yes...I do believe that Smenkhy was the eldest son of Akhenaten by Kiya. Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Originally posted by the_tutness_is_here

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I thought that Beketaten was the second youngest daughter of Akhenaten? Eck, I dunno...
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Akhenaten and Nefertiti's daughters were, in order of the eldest.....

Meriaten
Meketaten (Died in childbirth)
Ankhesenpaaten (Later Ankhesenamun married to Tut)
Neferuaten Tasherait

Then Neferure and Sotapenre but not sure who was the elder.
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