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The Greenman in Cultures

 
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Maharet
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:18 pm    Post subject: The Greenman in Cultures Reply with quote

As preperation for an idea of a work in progress, I was looking up the worship of Aset before she became Isis, and came by an interesting tidbit. I had seen it before, but it only seemed to have just clicked a little while ago when I was looking up some of the traditions of the celtic Great Goddess.
Osiris, his ancient form Usire/Asar/Wsir, was commonly called the Greenman, and depicted as such. Osiris was consort to Aset, the goddess, who could be loving and motherly like Isis, but also harsh.
What is interesting is that in Celtic mythology they have a figure called the Greenman who was a consort of the Goddess -and their Goddess's nature was that of a triple goddess, who could be cruel and loving at the same time.
The Greenman appeared all over ancient cultures, in roman art, and asia, and many other places.

-Maharet
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Maharet Smile
Thanks for the information on the Greenman from Egypt, to Celtic Europe to other places in the ancient world. How might that have happened? Today we are learning that the Egyptians had wide contact throughout the ancient world far earlier than once thought.

Did you know that the ancient eastern Aegean such as Milos, Thera, and Crete were in trading contact with Ancient Egypt by the Early Bronze Age approx. 3,000BCE. There is even good evidence that suggests an even earlier Neolithic date especially in the trade of pumice and emery for those of the Cycladic chain. These eastern Aegean islands traditionally are considered the first true European civilizations and it is believable that stories, as well as trade goods traveled from Egypt to the European mainland by these hardy early eastern Aegean sailors!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to suggest that you are wrong, but the fact that Osiris is green and has a wife is hardly proof that the Egyptians were making contact with Celtic Britain and the Norse.
The Green man of Britain and Celtic Europe is radically different from Osiris. He dances around, is mischevious and is a spirit of the forest. Egypt has no forests, and Osiris is the judge of the dead. You can't really get much more serious than that. He is green only because he taught the humans to farm, and because he is essentialy a corpse.

However, I feel it is bad to only argue one way, so I will try to give you some evidence to support your idea. The height of the Celtic Empire was around 270BC, and at this time Celtic civillization could be found as far afield as Asia minor. During the sacking of Rome it is quite possible that the Celts assimilated the concept of Isis and Osiris, and withdrew it when the Eastern parts of the Celtic empire were taken over.
To further support your claim, Tammuz, the Sumerian-Celtic Green Man is born in the Spring, loves in the Summer, cut down at the Harvest, and spends the Winter in the Underworld only to be reborn once more in the Spring. Osiris, Green man, Underworld? Lots of connections here, aren't there. Also both Osiris and Tammuz were gods of beer and brewing. And they were both green.

It is my opinion that the Cetic Green Men of Britain and Ireland cannot possibly be linked to Osiris. However, the Green Men of Sumeria and Asia minor could have some sort of link.

It is clever point that you noticed. I wish you luck with this work you are doing, and will try to help you find some more concrete evidence. It really is quite a neat idea. Smile
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