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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:15 pm    Post subject: Well Reply with quote

You see the thing is that after Thutmosis II death his son Thutmosis III became a king but , he was very young so his stepmother ( who has also his aunt ) Hatshepsut ruled "with" him took over everything as the pharoh of Egypt.Thutmosis III hated her and when he got older he took over as the real pharoh.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 3:21 pm    Post subject: Thutmose III Reply with quote

Thutmose III was a little Neoploian. Hatshepsut was crowned by her father. It was not something she just took claim to. Thutmose II was lazy and had no desire to care for his country. And yes, it is a well known fact that Thutmose III over threw Hatshepsut. What is less known is that he had her murdered along with her family and loved one's because of his jealousy, greed and pride. There are those that claim what a great warrior Thutmose III was. They did not know him and his barbaric way's. Was Napeleon great? Hatshepsut and her country lived in peace and prosperity, during her reign. Thutmose IIi turned that all around!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She was also his mother in law but I'm not so sure he did hate her. It must be remembered that he didn't in fact begin to destroy her monumnets untill years after her death. Why did he wait so long? Perhaps he did it under the advice of those under him after they perhaps said it didn't look good for her to have had so much power while he was technically pharaoh. Her sarcophagus has been discovered so he must have given her the burial due to a pharaoh meaning he recognised and acknowledged her status.
I don't think he murdered her either. Hatshepsut would have been around 40+ when she died. Easily the right sort of age for ancient women to bave died.
And as for the fact that her father crowned her, despite what she states at Deir el Bahari it is obviously propaganda. This wasn't like the later time of the Ptolemies when it was common to leave the throne to a queen. If Thutmosis I had a living son when he died, and he did, he would have left the throne to him.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually Thutmose even finished up a little red chaple that Hatshepsut had been working on... On this one show (though we all know how reliable documentries can be... Rolling Eyes) I mentions that maybe his son was at risk of having his throne taken over by a woman the way his had been.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting... As far as I know, there were no really prominent women at the time when Thutmose's son Amenhotep II succeeded. Who could have been this woman? There was a daughter of Thutmose, called Ahmose-Meritamen II, who was much older than the heir, maybe instead of marrying an infant brother she wanted to step into Hatshepsut's footsteps? Who knows...?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a suggestion. I've found a family tree of the 17rh and 18th dynasty which states that Thutmosis III had a son called Amenenhet with Hatshepsut's daughter, Neferure. If this boy was the 'son' refered to in the chapel and the original heir, maybe the women mentioned was Hatshepsut-merytre, mother of Amenhotep II.

back to what we were discussing before. We have to remember that Thutmosis III was head of the army before he took the throne on the death of Hatshepsut, which is an incredibly powerful position and one I don't think he could have obtained without Hatshepsut's say-so. If she was happy to have him there and it seems he was happy to be there, I don't think he was as angry about her taking power as history has portrayed. As head of the army he could have taken power away from his stepmother in a heartbeat. Hatshepsut knew she would probably die around the time that Thutmosis III would be old enough to take power for real.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That family tree is likely to be wrong. I've met a book in which this Amenemhet is said to be Hatshepsut's son, but after we talked about it with some of my friends we realized that this is possibly the same Amenemhet who was the child of Amenhotep I. (He died at a young age.)
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually got the family tree from the guy who teacher egyptology at the University of Birmingham so I would guess that it is mre reliable than most.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually the theory that Amenemhet was Hatshepsut's son, is from a book by an university teacher too, but I know someone who knows him and she said this teacher is not very reliable, so who knows...
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