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Hathor - Narmer Palett?

 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:10 pm    Post subject: Hathor - Narmer Palett? Reply with quote

What is the theories about Hathor having the dominant possition on both upper side of the Narmer palett found in the same dig as the Scorpion macehead in the year 1897-98?

Since Horus is Narmers God would not that be more appropiate to have in such a dominant position?
Anyone have any info about this.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: Hathor - Narmer Palett? Reply with quote

paw wrote:
What is the theories about Hathor having the dominant possition on both upper side of the Narmer palett found in the same dig as the Scorpion macehead in the year 1897-98?

Since Horus is Narmers God would not that be more appropiate to have in such a dominant position?
Anyone have any info about this.


According to my source Early Dynastic Egypt by Toby A.H. Wilkinson pg. 282 it is a figure of the Goddess Bat that is seen on the Narmar Palett. However, Hathor did incorperate Bat later on during Egyptian history. Hathor herself, isn't attested in Early Dynastic Egypt until the the end of the 2nd dynasy and there is no explicit reference to Hathor before the Fourth Dynasty. Bat, is mentioned in the Pyramid Texts Utterance 506. Bat's cult centre in Predynastic Egypt was located at Hu.
Now as for your question regarding Horus or Bat as being the most appropiate for the dominant position. One of Bat's primary aspects was as protector. As the Narmer Palette is supposed to be representing his victory over Lower Egypt. i believe that, Bat as his protector, during the war is most appropiate for her dominant position.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That seems logical. Didn't think about that. Since she is in upper side she observes and protect. Thank you! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely disagree. Hathor is part of the Seth line, and appears almost immediately in Dynasty 1.
Narmer
Seth
Den(king crocodile), wife HATHOR
daughter Buto
Nekhebet, Semerket, bastet
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to my sources Den married Seshemetka, Semat and Serethor. I cant find any books saying that he married a woman called Hathor, would you please share your source with us?
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From www.thepharaohs.net

Djer--his grandfather
Wadj--his father
Den
Anedjib--his son
Semerkhet--his grandson

Si-Amun is partially right. But my source says that his wife was unknown.
Both Hathor and Buto were gods/goddesses. A name incorperating those could be used, but the name of the goddess would not be used for a mortal.
Den was the third king in the 1st Dynasty.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my source is a book called "The Royal Families of Ancient Egypt" by Dr. Aidan Dodson of Bristol University and he gives Den three wives, the ones I mentioned above. The names are taken from four boundary stelae from Abydos and are probably the spouses of the monarch. That is what Dodson says in his book.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Outstanding question.... this link is pretty hard to find... and somewhat controversial... so I will look for a lot of evidence...

I digress, My Seth line is:
Narmer, Herneith
Seth(Wadj), Merneith
Den(sobek), Hathor
Buto/Betrest(Wadjet), anedjib(Anoubis)
Semerkhet(Nefertum), Bastet, sister nekhebet
Qaa(Maahes)

look at the bottom picture,
here is a very neat picture which seems to be mis-interpreted.... notice a missing pharoh... followed by a cat.... above the missing pharoah is a hammer. I feel this implies the cat(bastest) is pregnant / working on creating the last pharoah of the dynasty.
After Qaa is born, the missing pharoh is filled in, and the cat disappears.
http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/0egyptintro/2egypt/2bildsidor/2narmer.htm


Here are pictures of Hathor, Buto and Nekhebet together... 3 generations of women in the Seth line... but that doesn't prove a husband
hathor, buto, nekhebet
http://www.suziemanley.com/november/hathor.htm

Ignoring the near match of the name Heret-Hor to Seret-hor.... because I don't like near matches....(this should be very provable)
http://www.geocities.com/sksungaikorok/sinonim.htm
hela -> tarik,heret,seret

... and ignoring the Buchis link to hathor which is a blind guess between a cow and a bull, with no other evidence...

Also ignoring this picture of a cow(maybe it's a bull) with a crocodile ... sometimes art is art:
http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/chronology/kingcrocodile.html
http://egypt-papyrus.com/cate10.htm

Here is Den as King Crocodile, Dynasty 1
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/den.htm

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/sobeka.htm
"He was given different wives in different areas - Hathor, Renenutet, Heqet to name a few."


This seems to say Renenutet is Buto.
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/renenutet.htm
"Renenutet was seen as a fire-breathing cobra who was liked to Uatchet (Uatch-Ura, Wadjet). "
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Het Heru (Kemit name) or Hathor (Greek name) dominates the Narmer Pallette via her head on top, the King's Hathor cow's tail and his personification as a bull because:

1.) she was one of the 12 Sun Gods and Goddesses of the Ancient Egyptian Mystery "School of On (City of North Anu or Heliopolis)" established in pre-10,000 BC according to Herodotus and included in the Mortuary Temple of Pharoah-Queen Hatshepsut at Deir El Bahari;

2.) she was the Third Spiritual Plane Sun Goddesses and all Predynastic Upper Egypt Kings and Dynastic Pharaohs trained by the "School of On" had merged through her to reach the Third Spiritual Plane Sun God Ra-Heru-Aakhuti (Harmarchis) being then beyond the illusions of the body, mind and emotions; and

3.) she was thus a central part of the aboriginal religion of Pre-Dynastic Ancient Egypt/Kemit which for Initiates of the esoteric spirituality system of the Path of the Aten 7 brought salvation and deification while alive.

More on this can be found at www.hopelausa.org/page3.html and www.hopelausa.org/page4.html.
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