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Akhenaten · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:01 pm Post subject: Ramses Relative???

A mummy which had been in a museum at Niagara, and now in Georgia, is thought to be a relative of Ramses II, a kingly one. The mummy is very well preserved and the arms are crossed over the chest in the Pharaonic fashion. The face looks remarkably similar to that of Seti I or Ramses II. The abdominal cavity had been stuffed with linen, whihc leads some to believe taht this is just a Ramses look-alike, because the practice wasn't common in the 19th Dynasty. Could this be Ramses I, some wonder? The mummy will be returning to Egypt later this year.

For more information read the March/April edition of Archaeology magazine.
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egypt22 · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:27 pm Post subject:

Thats really interesting i hadnt heard of that until now. hm.. that is kinda puzzling. what do you guys think it is??? well i dunno really i havent done a lot of research on Ramesses and stuff.
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Akhenaten · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 10:01 pm Post subject:

I've finsihed reading the article. For those of you who haven't read it or can't obtain a copy, the mummy had been in the Niagara Falls Museum since the mid-1800's (I can't believe it, but I've actually seen it before!!!!!!! I was really little though, and don't remember, but I was there!!!). A few years ago the museum closed and the Egyptian artifacts were sent to a museum in Atlanta, Georgia. Now they think it's royal because it's arms are crossed over its chest (Duh, that's a dead giveaway:). And no other mummy that wasn't a Pharaoh has been found in that position. The mummy resembles Ramses II and Seti I, although it could just be a coincidence. The mummification was of the highest quality and late 18th to early 19th Dynasty in style. So the most likely people this mummy could be is Horemheb (Late 18th Dynasty) Ramses I (Early 19th Dynasty) and Ramses VII (20th Dynasty). But, they're not allowed to do a DNA test and Zahi Hawass won't let them because 'it's not always reliable.'

So they really don't know anything about it at all, they don't even know exactly where it came from (Although they think it could have been the Dier el Bahri cache).

But I gotta go, I'm at work.
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egypt22 · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 5:53 pm Post subject:

thats really interesting. it is kinda stupid to not do a dna test or anything because even thought it isnt always reliable it could work and lead them to something. but thats cool that you were able to see the mummy, i wish i could have. i gtg
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Si-amun · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:08 am Post subject:

Dr. Hawass seems to do more harm than good in many cases, does anyone else agree? His handling with the Rossetta Stone, foreigners digging in Egypt etc. I think he is actually bordering on the ridiculous. Would it not be in the interests of Egyptology for a DNA test to be carried out, just in case?
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Sekhmet · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:03 am Post subject:

The mummy was eventually identified as Ramesses I it is now back in Egypt having been sent there by the Michael C. Carlos Museum at Emory University, Atlanta Ga. i got to see it before it was sent back, beautiful it was and in its exhibit.
It used to be that the MCC Museum and Emory University, which is where Dr. Gay Robins teaches. Had a website devoted to Ramesses I. If you do a search on MCC Museum i bet you could find it. In the original website it explained the history, techniques used to identify the mummy, and how it was going to be shipped back to Egypt.
As for Dr. Zahi Harwass, come on give the first offically trained Egyptianologist of Egyptian ancestry to hold his position some room... he occupies a post that has been traditionally held by colonizing European white Christian men. Normally far more interested in "saving Egyptian history for their home nation" than protecting it for the Egyptian people. It is also a post that has historically been a road to riches for the post holder as he secretly sold works to the highest bider. Regardless of if he was a European white male or an appointed Egyptian with little or no education in the field.
I give him a break, i believe his love for his ancestry, its works, its history will do Egypt far more good than anything else white Christian nations may do. If he is a bit overboard at times, he is just sounding the new reality, Egypt is no more the shopping ground of rich non Egyptian folks looking for a mummy to open at a afternoon party. This is a part of Egypt's history as well folks mummy opening parties by rich non Egyptians was once a favorite pasttime for the rich and bored. It is believed that the mummy of Ramesses I was used for such a purpose!
For the reasons why Egyptian officals refused DNA testing is DNA testing easily provable for female decesent but not for male as of yet. Who was Ramesses I mother? In this case as with a few others DNA testing isn't really the best means. Emory University is spearheading the development of less invasive DNA tests and have so far met with the approveal of Egyptian authorities... Idea

i wonder why Wink

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